To wish people would consider the 48 hour exclusion rule!

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I have namechanged for this thread.
I work as a nanny and don't want to risk outing myself!
Yesterday I had a phone call to say one of my charges had been sick in the night and just to prewarn me before I arrived, and double check if he should go to preschool!!
The child spent the whole day tired, laying around, had a temperature and no appetite and no inclination to want to do anything, however there was no more sickness just a constant streaming runny nose.
I text today to see how he is (as I was sick in the night last night and was worried his sibling might have been).
I received a reply to say he seems fine, enjoyed his swimming lesson and the birthday party he went to.
Aibu to think he shouldn't have gone swimming or soft play today?? I have worked in various forms of education and childcare over the years and I am getting fed up of parents who seem to think that the 48 hour exclusion rule is there for their inconvenience.
Maybe I am feeling bitter as I have spent the day feeling ill, so mumsnet aibu???

Katherina you do not work for the NHS. If you are off sick and you've been off ill before, you can lose your job. That's why loads of nhs employees are at work when they shouldn't be. Imodium and other medication are key.

A staggering amount of children this year with my DS's (fairly common) condition have been blue lit to hospital/ended up on drips for days, etc because of a vomiting bug.

I understand that parents don't want to take time off work, but if everyone stuck to the rule the bugs wouldn't spread so readily.

YADNBU

A woman I work with was sick in the night 4 times, then CAME INTO WORK 5 hours later. She infected a lot of people.

Really, Mum? Upheld by a tribunal? Because they followed the employer's own guidelines? Do you have a reference for that?

I'm appalled that you'd knowingly treat patients when you were infectious I'm sure it happens though.

It wasn't once in the night it was a few times and it was proper sick he gave me graphic details!
Apparently he is quite tired and a little bit pale today so he might not go to preschool on Monday afternoon as he has another party tomorrow!
Sorry Stitchfusion this ^^ was my post earlier, as I put it was a few times and 'real sick'.
He was unwell with temperature, loss of appetite and not wanting to do anything at all (spent most of day trying to hold back tears).
Yes I agree sometimes children are sick for a reason which is not illness related (tantrums, travel, tiredness etc) and they can be judged on a case by case basis for whether to apply the 48 hour rule. But a child who was genuinely ill shouldn't imo be going to parties or swimming or preschool the very next day and should wait for the 48 hours to pass.

Katherina - I'm immunosuppressed so have higher levels of sickness and was at risk of losing my job. If I get a sickness bug in the next year then I'll be at a final hearing again

Hollinhurst I am the same but thankfully have an understanding boss and I work with children.... they send out a letter to warn of my situation if it's something really contagious like chicken pox (after all it could kill).
User..... your a twat.

Katherina - it can definitely happen! For a starter you can be easily dismissed within the first two years of employment in any event. After 2 yes you can still be sacked for high sickness (what is high depends on the employer etc) through the proper process.

I would never send the dc to school if they were genuinely ill. Sickness is 48 hours at home from the last vomit and any sign of temp or feeling unwell and they stay home.

I don't always observe it for diarrhea only though - sometimes it can be one instance (one diarrhea-y poo) on a Saturday night and otherwise fine. Then normal poo on Sunday and otherwise fine. In those instances, no, I don't keep them off on Monday. They don't have diarrhea that often - but if I genuinely observed the 48 hour rule for every bit of too-soft poo, between the two of them i'd probably be off work for about 20% of my time!

OTOH I had to quit my job due to this rule. Ds1 gets car sick and vomits about 20 minutes after getting out of a car. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Still does now he's nearly 5. When he was at nursery I'd drop him off on the way to work, by the time I got to work I had an answerphone message for me to collect him and keep him home. Luckily he's now at school and I can walk to drop him off.

It was a pita and completely unnecessary in my situation but totally understand why they do it.

User..... your a twat

I think you mean YOU'RE a twat. If you're going to insult, at least do it properly.

I merely represent the actual way life works, and not the la la land of MN, where people take off 3 days every time a child looks a little peaky, or they themselves threw up. If everyone followed your nonexistant rule, society would ground to a halt.
But clap yourselves on the back about how wonderful y'all are.

It's not about 'how wonderful you all are' some of us are immunocompromised and being around d&v could have serious ramifications. It's not mumsnet land it's fact. I am just super happy I don't have to work with super twats like you (as I said) who's 'it's all about me attitude' would cost me dearly......
And on my say so I send children home I know to still be ill or still within the rule and make a parent collect them too.... as teenagers! It's irresponsible.
I hasten to add it's not just me ill we also have other students being treated for cancer.

Tellmehow - couldn't you have just told them he was car sick?? Seems very OTT. I'd expect my nursery to understand. Our nursery is very accommodating and doesn't freak out by a single incident of vomiting or diarrhea as they can be many causes. Vomiting + diarrhea + fever (or at least fever and one of the two) yes send home. One instance of vomiting could be bad food, cough, over excitement etc.

' some of us are immunocompromised and being around d&v could have serious ramifications. It's not mumsnet land it's fact. I am just super happy I don't have to work with super twats like you (as I said) who's 'it's all about me attitude' would cost me dearly

So's my son, but that doesn't mean I expect everyone else to go to insane lengths to protect him. You know what else would cost him dearly....me not having a job and losing his home.
And if earning a living and acting like a normal person is me being a "supertwat", then make me a fucking sash.

Really winds me up too. If parents can't be bothered to look after their own sick kids they should have thought twice about having kids at all. Looking after your own ill child kind of comes with the role of being a parent.

Too many selfish, self absorbed people who give no fucks about anyone but themselves.

I was on a thread like this before and it ended up with someone telling me I should home educate if my son had such a bad condition that he could be hospitalised by a vomiting bug. What the fuck.

I'm not asking for any special snowflake treatment - I just want parents to follow the rules. It's pretty astounding that anyone would have an issue with that.

People will be saying they will lose their jobs because they have to keep taking time off to be with sick DC

My own workplace with just one day off triggers sickness absence monitoring and a back to work interview. Not everyone has the luxury to be taking time off continuously.

Not everyone has the luxury to drive to work when there is a train strike. Doesn't mean it's ok to steal a car.

YANBU
It really annoys me when people send their kids to nursery when they're obviously poorly and contagious.
My DS picks up everything and I keep him at home when he is ill (losing my £60 nursery fees and a days wages and pissing my boss off) so he doesn't pass it onto other kids.

Some people just don't care though 🙄

I think people forget, or totally disregard, the fact that the 48 hours isn't just for their child - it's for everyone else.

I find it kinda baffling that the person I know who rants and raves the most about the irresponsibility of anti-vaxxers (who I don't agree with at all) and about the necessity for everyone to play their part in the herd immunity is the person I know who disregards the 48 hour thing (even disregards 24 hour) and sends her kid to school/parties/etc as soon as she feels better.

My friend is baffled that I already know three of mine will be off school tomorrow. They have food poisoning I believe. They have serious D&V now and yet she's just said "But won't you see how they are in the morning?" No. It's 7pm. Even if they don't have a single episode from now they still can't go to school tomorrow as it'd be less than 24 hours!

When my DC are ill with D&V I do try and keep them off for the 48 hours but sometimes it just isn't viable.

Apologies for 'bleating' about losing my job but I have 3 DC who pass on their bugs to eachother. I do have a DH at home but he's very unwell and wouldn't be able to cope alone looking after them - we don't have any family close by to help. I am the only person who brings the money in and if I get fired we're fucked. I've tried to negate the DC being sick by working from home, but my workplace has decided it's one rule for management and one for the normal plebs workers, so I can't even do that any more. To be fair my DC very rarely get D&V, but seem to catch everything else going. Nursery also has a 24 hour exclusion policy for a bit of a temperature and I've had to pick DC3 up a number of times for said temperature. If I kept them off for prolonged periods for everything I would be fired.

If you're constantly getting sickness bugs as an adult you need to address your hygiene because that's not normal for healthy adults. So no, I don't think 48 rule should get most adults enough sick leave to get sacked.

At large scale Scout camps I've volunteered at there's a 48 hour exclusion for d&v. Local kids sent home, kids from further afield quarantined with own tent and own portaloo. If multiple cases within a particular group they'll all be quarantined for 48 hours. Camp is really not somewhere that should take d&v lightly as hygiene isn't as great as at home, hundreds or even thousands of young people in close proximity, plus it's just not nice being ill at camp.

Consider it made....

Oblada they knew it was travel sickness but it was a chain nursery and that was the policy. They wouldn't budge. It was infuriating but understandable I guess as you'd probably end up with parents trying to say their kids had travel sickness when they were actually ill. Ho hum, just one of those things you have to suck up I guess.

Oblada they knew it was travel sickness but it was a chain nursery and that was the policy. They wouldn't budge. It was infuriating but understandable I guess as you'd probably end up with parents trying to say their kids had travel sickness when they were actually ill. Ho hum, just one of those things you have to suck up I guess.