Monthly bin collections is a FAB idea

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There is outrage over this on LBC. But I think its a really good idea, I remember the same outrage when they went to fortnightly.

We're a family of 4, we recycle, compost and avoid buying over packaged stuff and anything in plastic (especially veg and fruit!). As a result the bin only goes out once a month and often isn't full. If you don't have a garden then a weekly food collection pickup is available.

I see other people with only one or two people in their house and every other week their green wheelie is bursting. I know from times they have used ours that they put alot of food waste and packaging in the bin. We are rather wasteful in this country compared to just about every other European county.

Reuseables hold at most 250 ml. My son's disposables hold 8 times that and they still need changing every 3 hours.

Same here spikey and he still leaks through the pad at night and I have to wash the bedding every day. I don't want nappies to wash on top of that. And who wants a teenager walking around wearing a bulky reuseable nappy. It's bad enough that they hey stated at for being disabled without adding a big layer of bulk onto their backside.

Speaknowords - our council gave us £30 per child for using reusable nappies. Agree they are expensive but can often be bought secondhand much cheaper. Our local sling library also has a 'nappy library'.

Hahahaha, those nappies clearly state bulky on them art&co and also state that if you wish to boost absorbency you need to buy an extra pad (which would add even more bulk). Would you like to walk around feeling and looking like you've got a whole bath sheet stuffed between you legs and pay £27 plus booster pad price for the privilege?

I'd have to take all my food waste (which I try to keep right down) and other rubbish to the tip either more than one bus or by taxi. I live in a top floor flat (in a council estate of blocks of flats), have no car, nowhere in the shops to get rid of waste (not so saintly after all). I try my best. I have bought reusable cotton face pads, use flannels etc. I also don't have a car so only use public transport and have no children. Am I allowed weekly bin collection, OP?

Most people aren't going to have every factor of large house, garden, car, energy, not disabled, own washing machine, etc but in the U.K. Now it would be rare people didn't have one factor and couldn't do one thing to reduce waste. Imagine if everyone magaged to reduce waste by 10%? That would be huge in total
First, it's not remotely rare for people to not have any of those things. Really, please try understanding that not everyone enjoys the privilege that you do!

But the argument isn't "everyone should try to do more if they can" (no one would disagree with that), it's "everyone should be forced into monthly collections or fined regardless of the extreme negative impact on the most vulnerable in society."

No not everyone has a washing machine, but most do don't they? very few families don't.
Tons of families don't have washing machines. Maybe everyone you know does, but your own social circle doesn't reflect the whole country.

I was going to say, I can see what's in it for the local authority to have monthly collections but why on earth would anyone else think that it's a good idea? We recycle everything that our local authority accepts except where, for example a cardboard box has grease in it that would potentially cause contamination to the rest of the recycling in which case it goes in the regular bin. Grass cuttings stay on the lawn, any garden waste is driven to the tip and yet we still reach the limit of the bin by the end of the 2 week period. A monthly collection would be crazy IMO.

I do dispose of the excess packaging before I walk home

so you are not doing anything at all to improve the problem, you just let someone else deal with it! That's the exact reasoning of fly -tippers.

Yes £27. But disposables for adults cost a fortune also. Yes bulky. But can just use at night. £100 ie 4 would be enough to wear, wash, dry, have spare if just nights. And last years so very cost saving. You can rinse in quick rinse wash, then add other stuff to same machine load at 60. You don't have to use. Just a suggestion that a) might save money b) reduce waste c) smells in bin d) comfoer at night d) many are more absorbent. Look at other brands and reviews

3% of homes don't - I just Googled.

Why should we have to pay extra for waste removal anyway, we pay council tax plus aren't we meant to be leaving the EU.

I try to recycle etc as much as possible and not chuck stuff in the landfill.

DH tried to buy a new LED battery for torch but cheaper to buy new torch. Manufacturers want us to keep buying stuff. Our economy is built on shopping these days.

We don't have a washing machine. My NHS provides free incontinence disposables. My DP goes once a week to the laundry. So £27 a pad would cost me a lot actually. Although I didn't actually know you could get them for full incontinence. The reusable ones my local NHS will give are only for mild incontinence.

Oh, well of course everyone knows that Google is omnipotent.

I suspect whatever random page you found on Google said that 97% of people surveyed (which could have been a survey of 10 people or 10,000) have a washing machine. There's certainly zero way for Google or any website to know whether I have one or not.

We are a family of four with 2 kids in nappies, 2 dogs and a cat tray. You would not think it was a fab idea if you had to open that stench after a month and cat, dog and babyshit does not compost unfortunately

I don't think you know how stats work, Sprouts

I fill my black bin every 2 weeks - with stuff such as cat littler and guinea pig waste (5 cats, 3 piggies, 2 gerbils) I actually wish they would let us recycle the rodents stuff but we can't so it's bagged and binned

I have 2 large recycling wheely bins and they are both full at the moment - collection Monday I recycle A LOT

monthly black bin collections would punish us when we actually recycle and reuse/freecycle everything we can!

97% may own a washing machine. Still leaves the 3% of us why don't. 3 in a 100 is still a lot of people.

I don't know why you're being so ratty with me BoiledSprouts, I thought I was backing up your point given that 1 in 30 is quite a significant number really.
Anyway, yes, a quick Web search is just a quick Web search (and it was from an article in the Daily Mail about the demise of laundrettes so doesn't go into detail about the methodology).

I did my degree in it, so yeah, pretty sure I do.

I googled myself and the first result is from the Daily Mail - and they don't make any attempt source their statistic.

What's all this got to do with the fact not everyone is as fortunate as you lot with your big houses, cars, gardens, washing machines?

"Are there any disadvantages to using large washable pads?

Purpose-made washable pads do not perform as well as disposable products for moderate to heavy incontinence so there is a higher risk of leakage from the pad onto clothing.

As for all fabrics, you may have sensitivity to materials used to make the pads. For example, polyester which is used for the top sheet and the main body of many washable pads.

Traditional pads are made from terry towelling which is cotton. This tends to feels comfortable next to the skin when dry, but can feel uncomfortable when wet.

Traditional cotton towelling products resemble infants’ nappies which some women understandably find off putting. They are also bulky to wear and launder."

www.continenceproductadvisor.org/products/pads/moderateheavybladderleakageinwomen/washablepads

You did your degree in it?? That must be useful, BoiledSprouts...

I've never seen those before but I don't think they would work with my son. They look too easy to rip off. My son needs teo layers of disposables to avoid the pulling off. The bulk in those would mean he would want them off straight away.

It was part of one of the three degrees I hold. One of which (my post-grad) led to me being offered two different high salaried jobs before I'd even graduated.

That was before I was diagnosed and became housebound, obviously.

Sure but that leaves 97% who do. Most people also wash other stuff too much ie kids jeans after one wear. If they reduced that there would be space. Again no not everyone of that 97%. I'm sure some live In a mountain hut, with one arm, and usually wash with natural raindrops. They and similar can be excused. But in general, people do make excuses for thing they could do, or do to a % but choose not to ( then complain about consequences)

I know I sound like a nappy nut now, but I do think they should be talked about more. When people get baby packs there is often creams and disposable nappies and infor leaflets. Maybe they should introduce adding one nappy or the often to buy at reduce cost. With basic info on what to do. Most aren't 1960 pin nappies now, but something that goes on and off it's Velcro like normal nappy. If everyone had one they could try they might take up using them a bit more even if just overnight, or just indoors or whatever. Even if they just kept using that one, it could be used a couple of times a week (100 ish times a year, x100 saved). Can rinse then wash with other towels/ bedding etc.

I think it's hugh fernley whittingstale who was doing something on supermarkets reducing waste. And some have now said they will stamp food with info ie bananas rather than bag with plastic

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/274778/9_Domestic_appliances__cooking_and_cooling_equipment.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiio-LV4c7RAhUFthoKHYYsBjIQFghpMAk&usg=AFQjCNHotfhkUOlYz4MwrlQ6G-U8JwIf7A&sig2=HdIT6BBYgDljuvnM5WX8sg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this seems to be original source of 97% figure - government survey.

But who is excusing them? I've literally not seen one single poster disagreeing with the idea that we should do more, or that reducing waste is important.

But this thread is not a general reducing waste thread, it's a thread about one very specific suggestion that would in practice severely negatively affect those most vulnerable.

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that monthly bin collection/mandatory fines would really hurt many people who are severely disabled or live in small flats with no access to cars or waste facilities. I don't understand the resistance to this statement.