To be livid about this FB shite

[WarwickDavisAsPlates]

A person I know on Facebook (we worked together briefly about 10 years ago but are not actual friends) posted this on FB this afternoon.

I know I know, decried them. Unfortunately though this is something I've heard before and it makes me so angry! I want to write something on it but I can't really put into words (that an obvious moron would understand) what makes me so angry about it.

There's always someone who can find something to be offended in anything. Any joke comparing men and women is guarantee to offend, especially if the woman doesn't come winning. It's not even funny to wind up so-called feminists, it's too easy.

I don't find this joke funny, I don't find it offensive, but to be livid and angry? Really?

Get off facebook.

I would defriend someone for posting that. It's one of those 'Why yes I am a twat!' posts.

I"m amazed and somewhat horrified at all the 'get over it, it's just a joke' and the 'easily offended' comments.

Misogyny is insidious. It thrives where people - often women - deride other women for not 'taking a joke.' This kind of thing is just horrible and underpins so many nasty negatives about women. It's really not something to laugh at.

I would be bloody fuming if someone sent me this.

YANBU.

Teeth drama: you might be right about the "jokey post= joining in thing" maybe I just should put something serious.

I definitely will be deleting him, his FB shows that he's about to be a father, I dread to think what messages he will be passing on to his child.

I don't get annoyed about everything on FB for those who have suggested I delete my account, I just get pissed off when people who seemed ok turn out to be sexist/ racist/ homophobic. Luckily that isn't the case with most of the people I have on there.

I just hate this kind of everyday sexism that people seem to brush off as "just a joke" but is actually just proof that women are still considered some kind of second class citizens who should put up with being the butt of a joke when (as a pp pointed out) if it were a joke about a black man vs white man there would be plenty of people taking offence.

women are still considered some kind of second class citizens

nope, that's just you I am afraid. I am most definitively female, and have never ever been made to feel like that, at work or anywhere. My girlfriends completely agree with me. Not all of us feel oppressed, looked down, discriminated against or whatever people come up with. I even believe that (in this country) not only it is easier to be a woman, but we have it easier that men.

I don't see that stupid joke as everyday sexism. It's only a bad joke. Chill out.

Absolutely, CommunionHelp. Also why do people sneer at "so-called feminists"? You never hear people talking about so-called Tories or so-called socialists, do you? It's almost as if the speaker doesn't trust women to know whether they're part of a political group. It's dismissive and, coming from a woman, it's pretty sad.

On a more general note - not just the "so-called feminists" remark - women often act as "enforcers" for patriarchal values across a range of issues, some a great deal more serious than others.

YANBU and I disagree with everyone claiming its 'just a joke' and it means nothing. These sort of 'jokes' are a clear indication of the double standards and outright sexism that still exists in society today.

If the joke was demeaning a specific race rather than gender, then there would be outrage (and rightly so) but because the subject is a female then it's somehow okay. Sexism is just as bad a racism.

Agree completely with you Warwick, I would defriend him too, it's an offensive joke.

FB is only full of rubbish if you're friends with people who post rubbish.

It is an offensive joke, one he found so entertaining he actually posted it. What a knob.
Unfriend him, and you'll never need to be offended my him again.

nope, that's just you I am afraid

No it bloody isn't.

Mambono, whilst I'm thrilled that you and your girlfriends have never encountered any form of discrimination whatsoever, ever; please bear in mind that millions of women have.

Attempting to belittle women who call out sexism and misogyny while you sneer 'chill out' is awful, in my view.

But if the person truly believed this they wouldn't put it up as a joke would they. A truth isn't funny in itself because it just is. It's why you can't make jokes about religion without being offensive to believers ( and yet it means nothing to non believer ). Perhaps because despite being a bit of a loose canon myself I've never heard a man make a derogatory comment about my sexuality.
Joke back. Fire with fire.

I'm more upset with the vulgarity of shitty TBH.

Unfriend

Mambono5

If that's the case then I'd love to live a day in your life. I'm assuming you've never been catcalled or told to "smile" by a total stranger? If you kept your name after marriage (or plan to) your choices have never been questioned? You've never had someone ask if your child's dad is "babysitting" when you go out?

That's just very small things that I've noticed day in- day out. We won't even bother going into all the huge problems women face over seas.

I think it's a disgusting attitude he's displaying op. Is he going to pass on those attitudes to his (possible future) daughter?!

From her description, Mambono and her chums are cool girls, those special girls who never need feminism, who always get on better with men and who gain male approval by whatever means necessary. It's more common in youth but you get "cool girls" of any age.

Urgh, YANBU. That's vile.

You don't post a "joke" poking fun at something unless you think the thing that's being "joked" about is at least somewhat true - otherwise it's not funny. That's literally the entire point of an observational joke.

I just defriend if anyone posts bollocks like this.

That's pretty funny actually. Humour is subjective of course, not everyone is the same.

I think the underlining issue is fairly obvious though: the majority of the time it is women who control access to sex. An average-looking woman who wanted sex tonight would be almost certainly able to get it in any pub up and down the country. An average-looking man would be much less likely to, it certainly wouldn't be a "sure thing" in the way that the woman would find it to be.

I think this is why there are different views on women who sleep around, and men who sleep around. A man who sleeps around needs to work hard to do it, a woman who sleeps around will find it very, ahem, easy.

Both of them will be at similar risk of catching an STD of course, which is the important thing.

This is going around. For everyone who says "It's just a joke," there's another (often a man) who's saying, "This is why you stay pure for your man, gurlz!!!" That makes it harmful--and not that funny.

On the flip side a friend of mine posted the other day saying something like "if you consider a women less pure after you've touched her maybe you should take a look at your hands" or something similar.

Trams-then surely it's men who are the 'shitty sluts' then.
If it's easy for a woman, and I don't disagree, then it's by definition more natural for women to have sex. Therefore it's more natural for women to sleep around.

I don't think it's funny and if defriend anyone who posted such mysoginistic crap.

Stuff like this is pathetic mysoginistic crap, it's not a silly joke it's disgusting.

From her description, Mambono and her chums are cool girls, those special girls who never need feminism, who always get on better with men and who gain male approval by whatever means necessary.

and you got all that from my post? wow.

But no. The fact that I have a large group of girlfriend can tell you that I get on better with girls, but have friends of both sex/ gender (whatever the politically correct term is).

I do say that my husband is babysitting. I am babysitting myself. Never seen anyone inflammatory in the term, but then we have a solid partnership. He's probably even better with the kids than I am. (breastfeeding excepted).

I heard stupid jokes about women, I also heard a lot of stupid jokes about men and men stereotypes. Does it mean men are also being discriminated against? Being the object of a joke (even a stupid one) doesn't mean you are part of an oppressed minority. It's your right to feel discriminated against, it must be very tiresome.

*anything, not anyone.

It's your right to feel discriminated against, it must be very tiresome

Do you think you've benefitted from feminism, mambono? Do you think all women are sorted now, then? Or just and your 'girlfriends'?

Do you ever bother to think about how other women might experience life?

Your dismissive, seemingly entirely ignorant selfishness is quite astonishing.

Your point of view seems to be entirely in keeping with the kind of person - male or female - who might post this kind of utter crap.

Mambo, I just re read a post from you further up thread where you say it's easier being a woman than a man, I'm interested to know why you think it is?

I've always believed the opposite, as have my friends, so I'd like to hear your opinions on that.

Yes there are jokes about men but in many ways the jokes about them are either inferring that they are possessing female attributes which suggests it's a bad thing to be associated with women or suggesting that men are incapable around the house or doing childcare which I feel only serves to perpetrate the stereotype that "a woman's place is in the home" so even these jokes at a mans expense are sexist towards women and/or perpetrates the whole "toxic masculinity" mindset which is damaging to both men and women, in my opinion.