To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

Which is why we don't see many wheelchairs on buses.

You cannot educate shit.

The thought of giving any reason why a disabled person shouldn't take precedence if me or my able bodied children makes me feel embarrassed.

Genuine question though, would those of you that share my emabarassnent confront a Trifle, or support a driver if she refused his request to lawfully accommodate a disabled person.

It's time we spoke up in real life in these situations with the same passion we type our replies.

I'm not going to keep dancing round the same point to be honest. Sincere apologies to anyone offended by my views. The likelihood is that, if you need a seat and you ever run into me on a bus, I will be the first person to stand up. If you need shopping carried or a door holding open, I will be the one running to grab it for you. I am genuinely not a total twat. I am only guilty of putting my baby first in circumstances where I don't see how I can do otherwise.

Goodnight all.

Sparky, GingerIvy, Expat and Servicesandsupportforall (whose username should be servicesandsupportforonlythosewhoihavedecideddeserveit) have all argued explicitly for a complete ban on unfolded buggies regardless of whether a wheelchair user needs the space. Because apparently they're unable to understand that there are users aside from those in wheelchairs who have vulnerabilities that make public transport a lifeline. Or that having a baby and toddler is very different from having two newborns and being one of the 86% of multiple mothers who hasn't slept for 6 hours straight in a year and isn't really in the best state to be doing gymnastics and juggling babies and prams on a bus.

Still, it doesn't really matter because people who run bus companies are a lot more sensible than those posters and it's not going to happen. And I will still be getting off and cheerfully waiting for the next bus when a wheelchair user needs the space rather than being forced ten miles in the rain because I can't fold.

I am only guilty of putting my baby first in circumstances where I don't see how I can do otherwise

Failure of imagination & intelligence.

Proof that parenthood doesn't always make one a better person a la Andrea Leadsom.

For the benefit of the hard-of-thinking, the reason wheelchair spaces are for wheelchairs is that you have to back a wheelchair into the space and place it against the padded "wall". They are not "disabled" spaces or pushchair spaces, they are spaces for the specific, safe conveyance of a fucking WHEELCHAIR.

You rarely see grandparents using the pram on a bus
Trifle- When you not allowed with your pram on the Bus and you walking you will understand. And it will come because of ou.
Rush Hour bans on all prams are sensible.

BillSykes complete and utter bullshit. You asked me pages and pages ago (more than once) and I answered (more than once) that in some circumstances, there was easily room for exceptions, including children and parents with disabilities (including disability pushchairs - which I also mentioned my ds had used for quite some time before he moved on to a wheelchair).

Wow someone has a chip on their shoulder & hasn't read what I recently posted.

But I guess what us disabled people need is judgement & vitriol on a day we should be celebrating.

Talk about urinating on our fireworks. Sorry guys the celebrations off.

Older people on bus passes used to be banned for evening peak busses as well as morning

Apologies Kit I should have written wheelchair user.

My question stands though: would all of you defend the right if that w/c user in real life?

I also mentioned about people having disabilities from birth to old age and that to avoid upset, get a note, like people with gastric illnesses do to access bathrooms.

Also stated about it unlikely there will be a ban and in my sparkly world buses would have provisions for both disabled persons and parents/caregivers.

GingerIvy, yes, you're correct. Apologies, but the other two have argued for a blanket ban.

TSS

Yes I would. Calmly but strongly, to the point where I actually wouldn't care if the parent felt upset at what I said. It's rare for me to say I don't care if I upset someone but in this instance I don't think it's right to beat around the bush.

You're right though that lots of people IRL just won't get involved.

Totally agree Still rabbit about giving money back for journey or honouring a journey if paid for if journey is interrupted.

And Sparky I should have used a colon instead of a hyphen. I wasn't including you in people who were arguing for a ban. But you did say that nobody was arguing for a complete ban on folded pushchairs when at least two are. I was pointing that out to you.

TSS

Yes I would. Calmly but strongly, to the point where I actually wouldn't care if the parent felt upset at what I said. It's rare for me to say I don't care if I upset someone but in this instance I don't think it's right to beat around the bush.

You're right though that lots of people IRL just won't get involved.

Well, that's lovely, but next time you highlight someone's name flinging about accusations, make sure you're accurate FFS. Bad enough you badgered me to death about it, but to accuse me again after I answered you quite reasonably numerous times is just rude.

I stand by my previous posts, have you read what I wrote?

At what point was this alleged comment mentioned?

Sorry about that posted at same time.

Trifle has form for being a goady fucker. As someone whose child has SN I can only hope she isn't actually a teacher.

I use buses regularly with a buggy. I chose a lightweight, collapsable one for this very reason. It is even suitable for use from birth so why the need for the massive unfoldable prams. The fact is that even if folding, juggling shopping etc is tricky it is still doable. You still have options no matter how faffy and annoying, unlike wheelchair users whose only option is to use that space.

Someone mentioned on another thread a really important point. This case relates to events from 5 years ago. The child in that buggy won't have even used one in years yet the man who brought this case still has to use his wheelchair, battling each new generation of selfish arses. Long after Trifle's child is walking independently and out of a buggy those wheelchair users for whom she refuses to move will still be fighting for their basic rights. I really hope this ruling makes a difference.

When a cyclist refused to move his bike from the wheelchair area others on the train did call him up on it yes. Only when the guard arrived did he move though - and then with some language I would rather not ds have heard!

Talk about urinating on our fireworks. Sorry guys the celebrations off.

Like fuck it is! Ignorant comments aside, this thread has shown that the majority are pleased as punch, me included. It's certainly a day to celebrate

stitchglitched: Sorry to disappoint - I am in fact a teacher. This has nothing to do with my profession.