To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

"So if you have 3 small dc, one in a sling and 2 in a buggy, what should you do? You cannot safely fold a buggy and hold toddlers hands and support yourself and your baby while the bus is moving"

This is what I used to do. Have reins on toddler to keep safe while I folded the buggy before the bus arrived (baby in a sling). Alternatively, quickly hand up baby when bus arrived and then fold buggy (toddlers kept safe by reins). I never used to have to fold the buggy when the bus was in motion: you usually know a minute or two in advance that you're about to catch a bus, don't you?

Now could you please explain how you think a wheelchair user who is unable to walk should deal with the same situation? Is it as easy as I have described above? Can he hold himself in a sling whilst folding the wheelchair and handing it onto the bus? Can he ask the driver or another passenger to carry him while someone folds the wheelchair?

What we are trying to get across here is not that life with small children is a piece of piss but how much harder it is being in a wheelchair. Can you really not see this?

Perhaps people like trifle need to stop and consider what it is like having to plan every second of every trip out around how accessible places are, how suitable their disabled facilities actually are, and then having back up plans a - z for when something goes wrong. And not just for a couple of years but for the rest of your life/your child's life.

Leaving the house needs military precision!

Yep mine were born late 80s early 90s too so not sure where the 70s comes from.

However decent behaviour and empathy are timeless arnt they?

Trifle- if coming across as an ignorant, self absorbed, entitled gf was a recognised disability you would be entitled to use the space. Fortunately it isn't and I'm not sure which part of 'it's a wheelchair priority space' you don't get?

It's quite simple, after today you have to move your pram. No ifs, no buts. The fact that someone has had to take this to court to enforce us horrible, you would think people would just fold their prams and move.

Disability rights campaigners fought for those spaces so that people with disabilities could access the same transport system able bodied people use daily not for able bodied mothers and their PFB.

Wouldn't it be a nice, positive move if mnhq shared this story on twitter and Facebook with a positive comment :)

Oh look, a flying pig.

Sirzy Wed 18-Jan-17 17:40:16
"Perhaps people like trifle need to stop and consider what it is like having to plan every second of every trip out around how accessible places are, how suitable their disabled facilities actually are, and then having back up plans a - z for when something goes wrong. And not just for a couple of years but for the rest of your life/your child's life.

Leaving the house needs military precision!"

This.

Trifle just for shits and giggles I decided to see what the Mail comments were regarding this ruling. Even the racist, bigoted, ignorant troglodytes that read the Mail support the ruling. I'm just going to let that sink in for a minute. if that doesn't make you think, nothing will

Trifle I suggest you go out and get yourself a driving license. The only way a child would triumph a wheelchair user is if there pushchair was an adapted chair due to a disability.

FFS. I am perfectly happy to get off the bus when a wheelchair user needs it and always do.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ARGUING FOR A BLANKET BAN ON UNFOLDED BUGGIES EVEN WHEN NO WHEELCHAIR USER NEEDS THE SPACE.

And how the fuck are multiples a lifestyle choice? Are you suggesting that unless I aborted one of my children I have no right to use the bus even when the space is free? Multiples are not a choice. And no, having a toddler and a baby is nowhere near as difficult as having multiples. For a start I'd love to know how you could safely hold two baby carriers on a seat safely unless you're fortunate enough to have three arms.

Why does MNHQ need to step in?
Trifle has had her arse handed to her on a plate by everyone, and her comments need to stand so that next time disabalism comes up, someone can link to this thread and show people what disabled people are up against.

Hopefully this has made trifle had a long hard think. But the idiocy shouldn't be erased from this thread

Wheelchair users aren't saying they are more important. They are saying they are equally important

^ THIS (unless they are comparing themselves to Trifle's DBaby, of course. Then they are less^ important )

I wasn't asking MNHQ to pull the thread, I was asking them to comment in such a way that makes clear that disablism is not acceptable in any way.

To sum up:

for an able-bodied adult with baby/small children to use a bus without access to the wheelchair space can be bloody difficult/require advance planning/involve the help of strangers

for a wheelchair user it will be impossible

Now which one of them do we think should have priority for that journey?

In answer to the op yes bus companies do need to provide push chair spaces or more folding seats pronto. It's a big healthy and safety issue. My dd slid under the seat in front off my lap when a bus breaked suddenly.

Sorry travel systems aren't for all. Neither are slings.

Love the way the daily Wail described it as Mums having to give up spaces. Don't dads,male childminders or grandparents use buses with pushchairs?

Think buses are going to have to get their act together pronto. Many buses accommodate both push chairs and wheelchairs just fine. It isn't rocket science or impossible to do.

Good summary Cory.

Cory - you may have been able to do that with yours but i couldn't with mine. Two 3 stone bolters who hate reins and go limp till they snap, a 12lb baby in a sling a month post c-section and shopping/nappy bag and a buggy, there is just no way i could do it and keep my children safe, especially at the side of the road.

If I managed more than one DC in a W/C which is permanent, then surely others can too. Yes you have to rely on the old lady or other passenger who was more than happy to help. Yes the stare of 'Don't you even think about it!' was used.
I don't get why parents now think that life now is different to the past. I don't get why it seems so obscure to ask for help or accept the offer.

She she count herself fotunite she wasnt filmed delaying the bus for 15 minutes. Because had she done any job she had would have been lost.

How many time's has anyone actually had to fold or move their pram for a wheelchair though, 3 DC using buses probably over about 8 years and i can only ever remember having to vacate the space once and my bus is on the hospital route. I probably used the wheelchair space 100's of times, our buses have one wheelchair and 1 or 2 pram spaces.

Ds1 was born in 2006, so not exactly 70s then either.

Are you suggesting that unless I aborted one of my children I have no right to use the bus even when the space is free?

Oh FFS, nobody has said that. You're getting overwrought. Do calm down, dear.

Buses wont reall want to make room for prams. Prams are not a money making excerise. and would standing passengers have to disemberk for prams or have part of bus run empty in case.

This thread is proof for why all unfolded prams should be fucking banned from buses entirely. There, problem solved. It's all clear to all the thickos and huns.

FairNotFair: Yes, they are equally important.