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To think of this as a worrying trend?

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Snugglepalace · 14/01/2017 18:57

Dh works for a large male dominated company of all ages.
One of the younger lads is a 23 yr old good looking jack the lad type.
He regularly has different girls on the go, booty call girls/fb etc. Which is fine it's what a lot of younger people do. But what worries me is that lots of these girls (who are only young, 17 to early 20's) send this lad naked suggestive photos to him. He then shows them round dh's work place. So these poor girls who will probably naively think they are exclusive to this lad have no idea that they are being letched over by a load of middle aged blokes.
This makes me cringe. These girls are someone's daughters. I have an 8 year old dd myself the thought of this happening to her in 10 years time turns my stomach!

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Snugglepalace · 14/01/2017 21:11

Sorry for delay everyone was charging phone!

Yes totally agree that Dh should report and have told him so (was bloody fuming when he first told me about this!)

The industry Dh works in is a very rough and ready one with a real dated male mentality (some of the stories Dh comes out with would make your hair curl!) Even if he reported it doubt anyone there would be interested!!
I will drum into dd the dangers of such things when the time comes and keep fingers crossed she'll respect herself enough not to ever do anything like that!

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TheOtherGalen · 14/01/2017 21:15

No, I mean, I know that sexting among teens is a thing -- I just did a double-take at the phrase "teaching sexting lessons," ha. I was confused because it sounds like teaching teens how to sext properly. I guess here we would probably call it "teaching online safety" or "teaching safe texting practices" or something. I just hadn't heard it phrased that way before.

It's interesting how the notion of privacy has changed over my lifetime. I wonder if it'll be even more radically different in 30 or 40 more years, when this generation of sexting youngsters is running the world.

JenniferYellowHat1980 · 14/01/2017 22:01

Unless these are especially vulnerable young women (i.e. not accessing mainstream education) they are definitely receiving messages from the police and from their schools that nude pics could end up anywhere and that anyone pressuring them to send such pics is a criminal. As such I can only imagine that they were sent consensually. As much of a cunt as the colleague sounds the women in the pics know this could happen. If they are in any way non-consensual / illegal I'd be reporting him to the police as well as HR.

ForalltheSaints · 14/01/2017 22:06

It is a worrying trend. Too much pressure on young people to follow trends, not just fashion ones.

Definitely no place in the workplace and the man concerned should not be employed any more if he continues to show them at work or use a work phone to send or receive them.

Snugglepalace · 14/01/2017 22:24

I just hope it's a passing 'trend' and these women/girls will wise up and realise the potential consequences of sending naked pics.

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manicinsomniac · 14/01/2017 22:28

YANBU, this kind of thing terrifies me. For such a tech savvy generation, the teens and early 20s are eye wateringly unaware of their own safety and privacy.

I'm currently reading a book about the dark side of the internet and the dark web (fascinating). In one chapter it says that, in recent years, there has been a huge shift in child pornography to the point that 30-40% of it was originally produced by the children themselves (videos as well as pictures) then fell into the wrong hands. Another chapter talks about revenge sexting websites where people can send naked pictures of their exes to the hosts, giving the reason for the break up and including their full names, email addresses and phone numbers. The only way the exes can get the pictures removed is to go through a legal process with the website that costs hundreds. And then there is this bit about something called doxing where people on cybersex chat rooms trick naïve people into revealing enough about themselves for them to be tracked down as real people. The 'doxer' then outs them as camgirls or whatever it is they're doing on their personal social media pages or even to their workplaces.

It doesn't even have to be sexual. I was a member of eating disorder forums for 15 years and it was almost the norm there for really young girls and women to post pictures of themselves, generally with their faces showing, in just their underwear so that their weight could be critiqued, admired or guessed. These were pictures going up on unprotected public internet sites.

Just mindbogglingly awful.

TheDowagerCuntess · 14/01/2017 23:38

It isn't about girls 'wising up' - many of them are probably under immense pressure to take and share pictures. With threat of ridicule and exclusion if they don't.

To not appreciate this, means you'll never understand your DDs' position, or get through to them.

And as ever, the message needs to be to boys and men not to do X, Y, Z - as much, of not much more so, as advising girls how to protect themselves.

Snugglepalace · 15/01/2017 11:37

Yes I totally appreciate that young girls are under immense peer pressure (I know many teenage girls and see it all the time) and will/am trying my hardest to bring dd up to hopefully have lots of self esteem and self worth in the hope this doesn't happen to her.
But boys and men are under just as much peer pressure too and this happens in all ages. I see it within my ds(12) peer group.
The sad thing is that until society stops seeing woman as sexual objects this won't stop. Take a look at the Daily Mail for instance, you have the main headlines on the left then a strip of endless scantily clad female celebrities on the right. Almost always female stars never male. We think we are equal but how can we be when every celeb mag, websites, TV shows like ex on the beach/geordie shore and music video shows almost naked women hardly ever the men. We should be educating young girls from the beginning that they are worth much more than this, if not we are never going to move on from the attitudes of the last century!
And these attitudes are still rife (just look at Dh industry for example!)

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Andrewofgg · 15/01/2017 11:50

I hope I'm not blaming the victim if I say that this is the digital age and images can be copied and spread around in seconds; and anyone, male or female, in today's workplace knows that. The young man is nasty but the young women are foolish and are enabling him to be nasty. A nightmare for HR, especially as there is no way to stop the young men keeping copies of the photos which they have, but HR must be brought in, and they cannot push all the blame one way - in either direction.

Andrewofgg · 15/01/2017 11:56

Sorry - I read too fast. If the young women are not also employed by the same company then HR can only cope with Jack the Lad and tell him to stop doing it - and warn the other men not to spread the images further.

If they are 17 it might be illegal - it depends on the image - but that is not HR's concern. They have no way of knowing. Nor of course is it their business if Jack or anybody else is leching over the images they already have.

Rixera · 15/01/2017 12:05

It's not as much foolhardy but beholden imho. I was groomed as a 15 year old, already primed by my childhood, and when the man asked for pics I really felt like I had to. Otherwise he'd find someone else, lose interest, be frustrated and angry.

Lots of girls my age felt similarly. Its not vanity so much as insecurity. To keep the man you have to send nudes, especially if you're on the fence about actually fucking him. It's tragic.

MargaretCavendish · 15/01/2017 12:29

I'm genuinely confused as to why so many people are astonished that a teenage girl might genuinely trust her boyfriend, and that she might be mistaken in doing so. Lots of adult women, too, put their trust in men who betray and let them down very badly, so why would teenagers have perfect judgement? That's why I'd personally really emphasise the risk that phones can be stolen/accounts hacked, etc. Just telling girls that their boyfriend might send it on to his mates is ineffective because they think that some boys would do that but not their boyfriend, and that therefore they are not personally at risk.

babychamcherryb · 15/01/2017 13:03

He sounds like a piece of shit - has your husband told him he is?

Snugglepalace · 15/01/2017 14:04

Yes hes told him but he just laughs it off. This lad has several fb's (don't know if these girls realise this or not!) on his phone he just calls one up when he feels like it, picks them up, does the deed then drops them back home again. He's a very good looking lad and uses that to his advantage. I'm sure a lot of Dh work mates think he's just a lad having a great time but many of these blokes have teenage daughters. I'm pretty sure they would break his neck if he treated their own this way but hey, who cares when it's nowt to do with them-right!? Angry

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specialsubject · 15/01/2017 14:40

sending gynaecological photos to anyone was always a stupid thing to do, even in the days when you had to get them developed at the chemist. It is still a stupid thing to do.

because they are likely to end up shown to the world in just the way that is happening here.

this person should be reported for sharing child porn. But I'm afraid that the girls need to have more bloody sense.

Andrewofgg · 15/01/2017 15:39

specialsubject If they are 18 it's not child porn. And it's likely that only he knows that.

In the days of the chemist and the developer the labs' quality control sometimes involved themselves, didn't they? I know that when Polaroid cameras first hit the market there were stories like this, but at least their pictures could not be copied. But the cat is out of the bag, the toothpaste is out of the tube, supply your own cliché; photography is now a d.i.y. pursuit for good and ill, mostly good.

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