to think you should ignore people having a go at you if you are the President Elect of the USA

[amispartacus]

Rather than having a go at them on Twitter and describing them as second rate actresses.

Otherwise some people might just think you're a bit sensitive.

If that's how he's going to react when people call him out on things, he's going to have a very long 4 years in the White House

Me me me ontop I linked Keith on here, he talks sense and a language I understand! He has nailed it with that clip, oh my god he has. Very very scary.

SNL and Alec was absolutely hilarious!

I am not sure that I agree with Keith Olberman on this one: I think Trump more likely has a personality disorder of some sort, not a mental illness.
Yes, there IS something (rather a lot!) wrong with him, but not in an 'unwell' kind of way.
He is a megalomanic, egocentrical ?sociopath - I am not an expert.
I don't think that there is any kind of 'treatment' for whatever is wrong with The Great Fart.
Which makes him even more scary IMO.

Pacific Narcissistic Personality Disorder (which DT almost certainly has) is listed in both the DSM 5 and the ICD 10 so it is recognised as a mental illness although, unfortunately, it is considered as pretty much untreatable because the sufferer very rarely recognises that they have it.
This is starting to really frighten me now. How can any sane person say that a civil rights campaigner who marched with Martin Luther King is 'all talk and no action?'
I was watching Charlie Brooker's review of 2016 earlier and he was talking about how, in the early days of the campaign, people regarded Trump with amusement and said something along the lines of it being like watching an adorable toddler playing with a power tool and not realising that he might work out how to turn it on.

Can he be led away gently by the people in white coats if he has a personality disorder then?

Now that would be something for the inauguration show. Himself being chased around the stage by someone wielding a large butterfly net.

Now there's an image Mavis!

I'd actually pay for a front row seat to that.

It would have to be done to the Benny Hill music as well.

I think Trump fits the psychopath model pretty well.

Narcissistic personality disorder

People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a disdain and lack of empathy for others. These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority, and power-seeking behaviors. Narcissistic personality disorder is different from having a strong sense of self-confidence; people with NPD typically value themselves over others to the extent that they disregard the feelings and wishes of others and expect to be treated as superior regardless of their actual status or achievements. In addition, people with NPD may exhibit fragile egos, an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in an attempt to validate their own superiority. (My emphasis)

This thread reminded me I hadn't seen Alec Baldwin's SNL Trump. It initially cheered me up, but then there were sketches that seemed so sure Trump would lose & we riffing on that. Not so funny in hindsight...

I think we should take it as a starting point that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and move on in accordance with that.

At the moment, a lot of people are struggling to get past the "OMG, but he's a narcissist!" phase.

You know how the OP on a Relationships thread will be reeling as they try to deal with each new piece of left-field, crazy nonsense? And the old hands are able to lay out The Script? Which is uncannily accurate for the big picture, despite details differing.

Trump is unpredictable - but it's a predictable sort of unpredictability.

I think Olberman is trying to move his target audience (Trump supporters) to this point, in the way they'll find most acceptable.

Obama should resign on Wednesday and let Biden be sworn in as the 45th President.
That will be hilarious. It will fuck up Trump's supporters' brains and memorabilia like crazy. 3 days of hell for them

I wonder if Obama will leave a note for him in the Oval office?

I know that there is a move to accepting personality disorders as mental health conditions (I still find this confusing wrt to 'treatment' - IME entrenched personality traits are engrained, so how can they be changed?! ), but attributing anybody a diagnosis of course does not make them 'better', woe us.

I think Trump supporters are so pissed off with the status quo that many are beyond rational reasoning tbh.
This is the main point that I cannot get my brain around: I understand the pissedoffness, I understand the pressing desire for change at all cost, what I don't understand is the blind faith that The Trump or all self-serving, far-removed-from-the-little-people or even the real world people would make any positive difference to all those feeling abandoned and sold up the Swaney by the Establishment? Why him?? Multi-billionaire, failed businesses, has never done a single thing that was not self-serving and/or short-sighted? Why give him that level of trust to vote for him??

I agree Pacific. At a tremendous push, i kind of can understand the ones who 'just' voted for him, but the ones who actively continue to shout their support for him, I will never, ever understand.
It's incredible.

Originalmavis The 25th Amendment means he can be removed from office if the VP and cabinet decide he is unable to fulfil the requirements of his office. Can be temporary (illness, coma) or permanent. Leaves a lot of scope for manoeuvre.

Of course present cabinet are inexperienced in government and loyalists, but it's usual for there to be a quick turnover in cabinet positions.

Beyond that, there is impeachment which would require two or three Republican senators to vote with the Dems.

Wonder why Trump was attacking John Lewis?
Maybe to provoke reactions? Obama has repeatedly emphasised the need for a 'peaceful transfer of power'.

I don't think the continued support is incredible. I imagine a lot of supporters are just digging their heels in, which I think is instinctive behaviour when people all around you are saying what a dreadful decision you've made. That's why I think words should be chosen carefully. I'm not talking specifically about this thread, I mean generally. If you're hoping for an about-turn, you have to leave people room to manoevre.

I agree Floisme

My words are always chosen carefully

His lies, his hypocrisy, his hate needs to be constantly pointed out. It's important. I appreciate that doesn't leave much wriggle room for die hard fans but hey.

I think it's sad that on this day Martin Luther King Day, not only did the PE attack someone who marched with him, a fine man who is a leader in the civil rights movement, but he also cancelled a trip to The Museum of African American History. There are pictures of John Lewis speaking to the crowd after the 1961 march to Selma within the Museum plus his mugshots when he was arrested.

Could this be the reason why, could he honestly be so petty? Any normal person would try to make amends for a bit of a faux pas, go to the Museum as scheduled, shake hands, say the right thing But no, he pulls out at the last minute.

Roussette I think it's another set up and wind up. The civil rights movement has too much grace and experience to engage in this. But I agree, it is charmless behaviour.
The use of the 25th amendment seems to be gaining traction:
www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-inauguration-impeach-process-get-rid-of-him-25th-amendment-a7528421.html

Yes woman DT manages to dig his own holes quite successfully.

The outgoing CIA Director Brennan has really said it like it is..

"Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests and so therefore when he speaks or when he reacts, just make sure he understands that the implications and impact on the United States could be profound, It's more than just about Mr. Trump. It's about the United States of America."

Wise words.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38630016

I've read before about a phenomenom repeatedly observed when various cults have predicted the end of the world on a set date. When the world doesn't end, you would expect the supporters to drift off embarrassed - realising how huge a mistake they had made. However, counter-intuitively a lot of supporters become more fanatical following a failed prediction.
I think some Trump voters will be like this - initially they may have voted for him reluctantly, out of a hatred for Hillary or a sense of dissatisfaction, but the stronger the evidence that they made a huge mistake, the more they will dig their heels in.