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To never want my mother in my life? *Possible trigger warning*

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 05:14

Just to start by stating I’m a man. I and my wife are expecting in the Spring so as we wait, I’ve been doing as much research as possible on babies and being a parent.

My dad died when I was 9 ( car accident). My mother had problems with drugs. So the situation living with her as a child was chaotic to say the least. She’d be gone for three days and I’d be home alone, consuming plain cereal because there was nothing else to eat. She resulted to prostitution to fund her habits, and one night one of her customers sexually assaulted me, while she was too busy getting high. I was 11. This experience scarred me for a long time - to the point that I grew up averse to any kind of physical, emotional and sexual contact with a female. My wife, a very special woman (we married last year) is the only woman I’ve kissed. This was at age 24. Prior that I had never even as much as gone on a date with a woman. And believe me, that first kiss was one of the most difficult and nerve-wracking things I’ve ever done. Ridiculous, I know.

By the time I was 14 I was taken in by my uncle. I grew up with him while my mother did her thing. I didn’t see or hear from her for 6 years (until I was 20). She was still using then. Disappeared again after like a year. I didn’t see her again for another few years until eight months ago. She said she was clean (definitely looks it) and that she was done with using. She does seem to have turned her life around. She’s now got a job, and she is regularly attending church. She has continued to apologise. She said she wanted to establish a relationship. I told her I don’t want her in my life and that I never want to see her again.

Now she’s been whining in my uncle’s ear about how I have cut her out of my life – at how I am depriving her of her future grandchild. My uncle (my mother’s brother) told her she has no right after everything she did. Having my mother around makes my life difficult. The more I hear about her (even though she’s seemingly clean right now) the more I remember what happened. I become distant with everyone – I pretty much revert to the person I was in my childhood and early adulthood. I cut everyone and everything off. I build a mental fortress and refuse to leave it. Growing up the only friends I had were novels.

And right now my wife is the one suffering because of it. We’re extremely close and we have always told one another so much. But right now I’m keeping my distance. And I hate myself for it. My wife doesn’t deserve this at all. She’s the best thing that has ever happened to me. I spoke to a priest about this and he told me to learn forgiveness. To forgive my mother. But I can’t. I just can’t. I harbour so much anger, hate and resentment towards her. But even with all these feelings, I still love her. Something I find difficult to understand.

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gluteustothemaximus · 05/01/2017 18:19

DH had similar. Dad died very young. Mother an abusive alcoholic.

He cut contact and has never looked back. She has no right to be in his life after what she did.

You have done so well. To recover and meet a wonderful partner, and a baby on the way! Amazing.

Please don't let her cause any more damage and ruin the best things in your life. Maybe ask your uncle to deal with her so you don't have to.

You don't need to forgive to move on. If she loved you, she would set you free and accept the damage caused was her fault. She would leave you be.

Good luck, and hope all goes well with baby. You will no doubt go through more triggers with becoming a parent as you realise how badly you were treated and how amazing and different you will be as a parent.

Flowers
niccyb · 05/01/2017 18:19

I think that you should seek some professional counselling. This is very important especially with a baby on the way. Unfortunately you cannot erase the past but you do need to move forward and as you say, you feel that you have been dragged back to the past again every time she shows up.
I think letting your mum back into your life now would be wrong. You need to seek the professional counselling you need and only allow her back if and when you are ready to do so. You must not feel pressured to do this.
This can always be done in the future under the guidance and supervision of a counsellor

TheMysteriousJackelope · 05/01/2017 18:21

You don't owe your mother anything. Someone apologizing should be doing so to make the injured person feel better not so they can be forgiven to lessen their guilt and make them feel better. Her complaining and whining makes me think she isn't so concerned with you, but is more concerned with herself and her own feelings.

You are focusing on what your wife and child need and that is the right thing to do. If having your mother in your life interferes with your relationships with them then she can't be in your life. Their needs far outweigh hers. As an adult she had a choice over how she lived, your child doesn't have that ability.

Any decision you make now doesn't have to be permanent. As things change you may find you can forgive her and let her into your life, but it should be because that is the best thing for you and your family, not because it is what she needs. You have sacrificed enough for her, don't sacrifice your marriage as well.

niccyb · 05/01/2017 18:29

Sorry, just noticed that you said you have already had counselling. I missed that.
You don't need to allow her back in your life if you aren't ready

SILfoundmyusername · 05/01/2017 18:45

Let your uncle help. Do not let her in your life, even a tiny bit, your uncle can be your protector. Concentrate on your lovely wife and the arrival of your baby. If in a few years she is still clean and doing well you might think about meeting her then, but do not let her derail your current deserved happiness. You do not owe her anything, if she has changed and is church going and sober, she will happily wait years to earn your forgiveness if she truly is sorry and has changed.
Ignore the priest, especially if he is hers as he will have got a very clean edited story.

Dutch1e · 05/01/2017 18:45

Agree with the other posters who recommend staying far away from anyone who causes you pain (related or not).

You said you process things well when you write. This might sound trite but worked for me... have you written letters to her? NEVER to be sent, she hasn't earned that kind of insight and if she's moaning to your uncle she's still not there.. but just letters. Or short notes. Everything from a quick "fuck you" to an epic about your day, your growth, your family and how much you miss the mother you never had (but deserved).

One day you might realise you haven't written anything for weeks. The opposite of love is indifference and when you feel nothing for her, you'really free.

Rambling a bit here, apologies for the incoherence. Your post brought up a lot of memories for me, I'm grateful to you.

Heartfelt congratulations on surviving, on falling in love, and on the soon-to-be little person Flowers

steppedonlego · 05/01/2017 18:46

Didn't want to read and run.

I saw you've had councilling, but could you go back and ask for more, possibly push for CBT/DBT, as they can be very helpful.

As for forgiving your mother, it's difficult, but forgiving someone doesn't have to be for their sake, it can be for yourself. Even all these years later what she did to you still (understandably) has this effect on you. On one hand it can feel like forgiveness would be minimising what she did, like you're writing it off, but on the other hand, it can be beneficial in your own recovery. Forgiveness also isn't a decision made once and done with something this big, it's something you have to practice at over and over until one day you'll find it just comes.

Whether you see her or not is a seperate issue. I'm glad your uncle is on side with you, and it seems like he's a real positive in your life, but you can forgive her, whilst also having no contact with her.

I haven't really given you an answer though, have I? My only advice is to think of yourself and your own little family first. Love to you, anon.

RaspberryOverloadTheFirst · 05/01/2017 18:57

I believe forgiveness can only happen when the forgiver is ready. And that might be never.

I've seen people effectively forced into forgiveness, and if the forgiver isn't ready it can lead to problems, especially if the person needing forgiveness expects everything to be wiped off the slate.

If if you do ever reach the stage of being able to firgive your mum, that doesn't mean that you need to let her back into your life. You can forgive and never see your mum again.

Chesterlady · 05/01/2017 19:23

Dealing with an addict (ex or not) is difficult. Years of selfishness can be a harder thing to overcome and stop than taking the drugs. In my experience with addicts it's almost like "hey I've done what you wanted and got.clean and now you should forgive all my wrongs, nothing in the past should matter because I'm clean." In truth a lot of rehab is.spent working on forgetting the past and letting go of the issues that led to.drugs in the first place, an addiction leaves rehab having forgiven themselves so can't understand why other people are yet to forgive the past.
You are not wrong to not forgive the past.
Having said that, I think you owe it to yourself to sit down in a neutral place with your mum and tell her why you haven't yet or can never forgive her, even if it's as simple as letting her read what you wrote on here, how much hurt and turmoil she caused you growing up and still continues to do. I feel a lot of anger built up inside you but cutting out family and loved one's is just the anger manifesting in the wrong way. I think sitting down and hearing your mother out (even if it's just to tell her to f off after all is said and done) would help you let go of the anger you are scared of releasing on your loved ones.

haveyourselfamerry · 05/01/2017 20:06

cheste -crikey -no disrespect but is that something that has worked for you?

To my mind that is just handing the power back to her....

I phone my mother every day, hear her problems, visit and comfort her, but she does not deserve my confidence.

PollytheDolly · 06/01/2017 05:15

OP you seem a lovely person, with a great wife and your life is well and truly on track now with baby on the way. You did all that by helping yourself, living with uncle and cat, therapy etc etc.

Keep it that way. Keep her out of your life. You say you're shutting people you love out and hurting them now because of her trying to needle her way back in. That would be enough reason for me to go NC.

All the best and be happy!

feduparsenalfan · 06/01/2017 05:23

TheMysterious

Yes, I must say, her complaints to my uncle (acting as if she's the aggrieved one) really got to me. My wife said that's a sign that my mum doesn't really understand what her actions did to me.

chesterlady

I've actually decided I'm going to meet with my mother. I took my wife out for a meal last night and when we got home I talked to her and apologised for my distance and explained everything. Talking with my wife made me realise I need closure. And by talking to her, outlining everything I've been feeling from childhood to now, will do that. In the past I've never had the opportunity to do that. I'm not going to go into a rant or anything like that. Just tell her how I feel, and how I can't have her in my life. In five years perhaps things will be different. But for the foreseeable future she simply can't be around me and my family. I've got the happiness I thought I would never have and there's no way I'm letting my past interfere with it.

raspberry

I agree with you on your point about forcing forgiveness.

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ShutTheFuckUpBarbara · 06/01/2017 05:29

Good luck OP, I really hope you get the closure you need Flowers

BitOutOfPractice · 06/01/2017 05:58

I think forgiving her doesn't mean forgetting what she's done. And it doesn't mean you have to let her back in your life. But if you forgive her it might give you peace in your own heart to move forward without her.

I wish you all the very best

AnaMaleka · 06/01/2017 06:15

If you meet with her please be prepared for her to not respond in a way you expect. She does sound remote setup, which is obviously good, but I think your wife is right that she doesn't quite understand the full impact of what she's done. She thinks her remorse is somehow enough and doesn't understand that sometimes it's not.

My friend was told by her therapist (a very well experienced one) that sometimes you don't need to focus on forgiveness, just on getting things ok for yourself. I followed that piece of advice and it resulted in my resentment dramatically reducing - the burden of having to forgive someone in order to be a "good" person can just add stress.

I'm not in contact with my mother and on one hand it's sad, but in the other it's the best thing ever. After having kids more memories came back. It was not pleasant - and my mother didn't do the sorts of things yours did.

How about finding a therapist now, then speaking to your mother and then dealing with any fallout from that and then you've got someone you know you can go to after the birth if it becomes necessary?

Good luck and congratulations on the pregnancy!

Kr1stina · 06/01/2017 06:27

Please get some counselling before you speak to your mother.

SeriousSteve · 06/01/2017 06:35

I'd recommend you read the "Toxic Parents" book, I think it will help you significantly. Also some professional therapy would enable you to express your feelings. You've been very strong so far.

You should also check the "Stately Homes" thread in Relationships section - its comprised of people who have suffered abuse, toxic parents, dysfunctional families and more, you'd get good advice there.

You're an arsenal fan.... I wasn't actually going to reply because of it!! GrinGrinGrin

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 06/01/2017 06:36

As Anna Maleka says, be prepared for your mother to take no notice of everything you say. (Been in a similar place and got nowhere with parents acknowledging anything I say)

It is really difficult when you have to distance yourself from your parents. You grow up thinking they are gods then one day you see they are just flawed and rubbish people just like the wrecks on the Jeremy Kyle show.

You sre dong rh best thing to draw towards your wife. You are sharing in becoming parents and this is a time to be as one together against the rest of the world? Hopefully she can get the suppport she needs from her mum when it comes to the baby things.

I feel for you..... being an Arsonal fan is not easy..Hmm

SeriousSteve · 06/01/2017 06:43

I've also been sexually assaulted (was 13/14) so I understand the thoughts and feelings that must be going through your mind (I'm also a man). It really fucks with your mind, as a result I have PTSD thanks to many years of parental emotional abuse and the sexual assault.

Really, check out the Stately Homes thread. I'd also recommend seeing your GP for a referral to,psychology services. You'll likely see an IAPT section first, they only offer a limited amount of sessions though so if you have complex childhood trauma (sounds like you do) then they can refer you to main services at the hospital - this opens up therapies like EMDR.

Best wishes to you.

SeriousSteve · 06/01/2017 06:51

And forget about forgiving your mother, no doubt you have lots of pain and trauma stacked up. Fuck forgiving, real life doesn't work like this. What are you supposed to say? Thank for the abuse over the years and bringing men you don't know into our lives and one raped me. She was unknowingly complicit. Forgiveness? Pfft.

HumpHumpWhale · 06/01/2017 06:56

There's a lot of good advice here, so I won't repeat it, but I just wanted to say this: you talked about the struggle of the first kiss with your wife, and you said you know it's ridiculous that it was hard. I totally disagree - I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I think it's completely understandable, given your experiences which you were traumatised by, as anyone would be. I also noticed that you said you felt like less of a person because your mum didn't give you the care you would give a cat - but it's not you that's less of a person, it's her. You are clearly a strong, brave and loving human and you should try to treat yourself more gently!
I don't think yabu to cut her out. And I would definitely talk to a therapist rather than a priest.

feduparsenalfan · 06/01/2017 07:01

Ana

Yes, I plan on seeing a therapist before talking with my mother. I just hope I find the right one. It took a bit of time for me to find the right one when I first started therapy several years ago.

Itsnoteasy

I completely understand when you write "you grow up thinking your parents are god." Completely understand. My uncle did tell me that my mother was a sporadic drug user when she was in her teens. She had much more restraint when my dad was alive. But after he passed she just spiraled. The foggy memories I have of my mother during the time my dad was alive, are the exact opposite of what she became after. She was a god to me before that.

serioussteve

I'm sorry for everything that happened to you.

And hanks for the book recommendation. I'll also check out the thread in the relationships section. It makes it easier knowing that you aren't alone. As for therapy - I had a wonderful therapist at uni - she did wonders and I would have never been able to pull it off with my wife were it not for her. I haven't seen a therapist for a couple of years since - I felt that I was okay. But my mother coming back brought all the trauma back, I and I do plan on going back.

As for Arsenal . . . my wife is a Spurs fan (the baby is going to be in for one heck of a time). I can't tell you how much I laughed at her last season when Spurs were hammered by a relegated Newcastle on the last day, thus finishing below Arsenal again.

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CactusFred · 06/01/2017 07:05

You are completely within your rights to cut ties with her. Her behaviour when you were growing up was unforgivable.

Quiltylawningtons · 06/01/2017 07:15

dearest feduparsenalfan.....
do give Families Anonymous a go? there are meetings in so many places - For me, it helped me move to a place of understanding - there will never be any pressure put on you to 'do' a certain thing but it certainly saved my emotional life and 25 years on I'm still so grateful for the changes and repair that I gained in those meetings - the kind of struggles you describe are the kind of stuff that they can help with - I urge you to give it a try?

lovelearning · 06/01/2017 07:53

I harbour so much anger, hate and resentment

feduparsenalfan

Negative emotions play a crucial role in the development of major illness

Your first priority as a parent is your own health

Seek psychotherapy

Rid yourself of the negative emotions

Be the parent you want to be

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