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To never want my mother in my life? *Possible trigger warning*

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 05:14

Just to start by stating I’m a man. I and my wife are expecting in the Spring so as we wait, I’ve been doing as much research as possible on babies and being a parent.

My dad died when I was 9 ( car accident). My mother had problems with drugs. So the situation living with her as a child was chaotic to say the least. She’d be gone for three days and I’d be home alone, consuming plain cereal because there was nothing else to eat. She resulted to prostitution to fund her habits, and one night one of her customers sexually assaulted me, while she was too busy getting high. I was 11. This experience scarred me for a long time - to the point that I grew up averse to any kind of physical, emotional and sexual contact with a female. My wife, a very special woman (we married last year) is the only woman I’ve kissed. This was at age 24. Prior that I had never even as much as gone on a date with a woman. And believe me, that first kiss was one of the most difficult and nerve-wracking things I’ve ever done. Ridiculous, I know.

By the time I was 14 I was taken in by my uncle. I grew up with him while my mother did her thing. I didn’t see or hear from her for 6 years (until I was 20). She was still using then. Disappeared again after like a year. I didn’t see her again for another few years until eight months ago. She said she was clean (definitely looks it) and that she was done with using. She does seem to have turned her life around. She’s now got a job, and she is regularly attending church. She has continued to apologise. She said she wanted to establish a relationship. I told her I don’t want her in my life and that I never want to see her again.

Now she’s been whining in my uncle’s ear about how I have cut her out of my life – at how I am depriving her of her future grandchild. My uncle (my mother’s brother) told her she has no right after everything she did. Having my mother around makes my life difficult. The more I hear about her (even though she’s seemingly clean right now) the more I remember what happened. I become distant with everyone – I pretty much revert to the person I was in my childhood and early adulthood. I cut everyone and everything off. I build a mental fortress and refuse to leave it. Growing up the only friends I had were novels.

And right now my wife is the one suffering because of it. We’re extremely close and we have always told one another so much. But right now I’m keeping my distance. And I hate myself for it. My wife doesn’t deserve this at all. She’s the best thing that has ever happened to me. I spoke to a priest about this and he told me to learn forgiveness. To forgive my mother. But I can’t. I just can’t. I harbour so much anger, hate and resentment towards her. But even with all these feelings, I still love her. Something I find difficult to understand.

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Vigbymumparis · 05/01/2017 08:21

Your pain is tangible, and I am deeply touched by it.
Is going back to your former therapist a possibility? As other posters have said, becoming a parent yourself is more or less bound to bring you once more face to face with what you went through, from a new perspective this time, and for the sake of the relationships with your wife and child it would be well worth 'going there' now so as to be able to be as present as possible when the baby is born.
I also agree with the early suggestion that you write to your wife if it's hard just now to be physically and emotionally intimate in the same space - nothing surprising, giving what you've been through - or indeed have her read your post. She sounds like a very special woman indeed. Flowers to both of you.

feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 08:26

coconutpie - I spoke to my wife about additional therapy. We have both agreed that it would do me some good. I fear that I will completely undo all the hard work I've done in the last few years.

fatal - yes, my uncle is totally in my corner on this one. In fact he finds it difficult to interact with her himself. When I told him about the sexual assault I've never seen him so devastated.

I agree with the many sentiments here. That my wife and baby are the priority. Nothing else.

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 08:32

vigbymumparis When I saw the therapist that helped me a lot I was at away at uni. So no, I'm afraid it's not possible for me to see her again. It's just not practical. I've always been better expressing myself via writing, so I think that's something I'll try.

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TaliZorahVasNormandy · 05/01/2017 08:34

For the sake of your mental health and your wife and child, I'd go no contact. You've worked too damn hard to heal to now be dragged back into those memories again.

lasttimeround · 05/01/2017 08:34

I'm so sorry about what happened to you. I think your instincts are right on needing to prioritise your wife just now and that your mother would hugely destabilise you.
Forgiveness is an act of grace. It goes beyond what can be expected or earned. Maybe one day this grace will be yours but you can't force yourself to forgive. All the bible requires is honoring your parents. That's not loving liking respecting or even contact. Just acknowledgment. I have a difficult parent and am a committed Christian. I think your priest sounds naive.

Blu · 05/01/2017 08:37

I am so sorry this happened to you.

The priest's advice is way too simplistic. You may we'll be able to intellectually understand why your Mum took to drugs and the consequences of that after your Dad died (sorry about that, too) but the effects on you are just the same. And as for the person who attackec you.... You are not a failure of any kind for not being able to forgive, and it's cliched partner 'forget '. This is the danger in the Priest's advice: if the suggestion is that you forgive, it is your responsibility if you can't. NONE of this is your responsibility.

Just one little adjustment to the last line of your post: your priority is your wife, your child and YOU.

You sound like a very good husband and Dad.

BastardGoDarkly · 05/01/2017 08:44

I'm so sorry for your childhood, in my opinion, her behaviour and neglect is unforgivable. She has no right to demand forgiveness or contact, she blew her rights to be in your life a long time ago.

Your uncle sounds amazing, I'm sure if you just said to him, not to pass any information regarding your Mother on, he'd respect that.

Congratulations on your baby Flowers

Morgani97 · 05/01/2017 08:45

Didn't want to read and run. I can only echo what many have said on here. You don't have to forgive,you don't need this selfish self centered woman in your life. We all made mistakes and we sometimes learn from them. Your mother needs to take a big step away from you and leave you to enjoy your life with your wife and new baby. Good luck with everything. You're very brave coming on here and discussing this. You need to put yourself,your wife and your child first. And be kind to yourself too.

OnTheRise · 05/01/2017 08:53

My version of forgiveness is more for the person doing it than the person receiving it. Once I forgive a person, I stop ruminating on their betrayal (or whatever it was they did wrong), and that means I don't end up feeling so bitter or miserable. So I can understand that my parents didn't mean to be abusive, and don't have the emotional skills required to stop their awful behaviours, and I find a sort of peace through that.

Does it mean I let them back into my life? Nope. Definitely not. Why would I do that when it would mean exposing myself to their damaging abusive behaviour again? That would be a really dangerous thing for me to do.

I can forgive them for being so very crap. But I also keep them out of my life to protect my family and me from being hurt by them anymore. And by forgiving them (in my own way) I protect myself from dwelling on their dreadful behaviours, and prevent myself from dragging myself down into that particular pit of depression and guilt and misery.

I wish you well, I really do. You can get yourself better with the right help and self-care and you are doing a really good thing by looking after your wife and child so well.

SugarMiceInTheRain · 05/01/2017 09:00

I was going to put exactly what OnTheRise said ^ . You can forgive (for your own sake, to help relieve the anger and bitterness you feel, and bring yourself some peace) and still protect yourself and your new family by not allowing her back into your life. I wish you and your wife all the best with your new baby.

haveyourselfamerry · 05/01/2017 09:02

". I become distant with everyone – I pretty much revert to the person I was in my childhood and early adulthood. I cut everyone and everything off. I build a mental fortress and refuse to leave it. Growing up the only friends I had were novels."

I do this too. I had just not articulated it. Luckily it never happens with kids.
lots of good advice here.

Numptywallice · 05/01/2017 09:07

Maybe the priest was right about forgiveness but not for your mother, but to forgive yourself. You were a child and had no control or responsibility for your mother so don't punish yourself over her choices. What happened to you was because of your mothers drugs and selfishness which had nothing to do with you, you were/are the innocent in all of this! If you need to forgive anyone it's yourself, your allowed to be happy! You have built a life for yourself with your beautuful, wonderful wife, your allowed that infact you deserve that. Don't let your mother destroy your future she doesn't have any rights to that.

I wish you all the happiness in the world, with your new family that you have built and grown in you heart, at the end of the day we can be 'family' with people by blood but the best family is grown in your heart and built up with love. Please don't shit your wife out especially at this time, I'm sure she is feeling alone right now and by sharing and talking you build that strength and love no one can break.

stoopido · 05/01/2017 09:12

I wouldn't focus on my mother and would try to enjoy this happy period in your life with your wife and new baby. Your mother tore your childhood apart, don't let her do the same in adulthood!

nannybeach · 05/01/2017 09:17

Hoe absolutely awful for you, well done for the man you have become, very best with your family. You need to talk to your wife, nothing worse, she will be thinking the worst, level with her. you owe your mother NOTHING, do not be emotionally blackmailed by her. My Husbands Mother walked out when he was 7, with very slightly older and younger sibling, went off with another man, waited till they were at school to do it. A few months down the line tried making their father (who got custody) to bring them to see her, they didnt want to hated her, she messed up their lives, they were forced to move into very cramped accomodation because the father needed childcare while at work. He didnt see her for 20 years, then as long as you did as you were told, everything was OK, like you he reverted to his childhood self. Her bullying continued for the next 20 years, until she went to far, (very long story, you dont need to hear!) So my husband cut her off, and the siblings who never had a good word to say about her, yet sided with her at every level. My husband has serious mental issues and phobias to this day because of her, he said it was worse than if she had died because then she wouldnt have had the choice about leaving. He is unable to go out, and doesnt like me going out without him. Obviously reasons I think, council wasnt avaiable in those days.

mirokarikovo · 05/01/2017 09:30

You are amazing to have survived all that. Congratulations on having the resilience to get through.

It is good that your mum is now clean and remorseful and wants your forgiveness. However, forgiveness is a very different thing from having her back in your life and having the kind of relationship with her that might have been possible if she had been a good mother when you were growing up. Whining that you are depriving her of grandchildren is totally disrespectful and suggests she is not truly remorseful and does not understand the magnitude of the wounds she inflicted on you so cannot yet properly ask for forgiveness. To validly ask for forgiveness one must understand what one did and the impact of it, and she does not. If she did then she would totally understand and respect that she can't have a close and loving relationship with you and your family any more.

That said, I wouldn't agree with those saying to cut her off completely either. Forgiveness - if you are ever able to walk that path - could be beneficial and healing to you too. The wounds you bear are of many different kinds and will heal in different ways but some of them may be soothed by forgiveness. Now is not the time though, and certainly your mum isn't ready for true repentance, I'm just saying that the time may yet come one day.

MagicChicken · 05/01/2017 09:41

She resumed her habits a few days later. And pretty much swept what happened under the rug.

Of course she did. That's what weak, flawed selfish people do. SadFlowers

It's up to you whether you choose to forgive or not. Personally I think forgiveness is overrated, or at least mis-sold. Often I hear people say that (as Christians) forgiving the person who hurt them helped them heal and move on. I think you can give yourself permission to heal and move on without having to forgive. But I think Christians sometimes think you can't have one thing without the other. I think they are wrong.

You owe her nothing. It was her job to put you first, to love, protect and nurture you and she failed. It's not your duty to provide her with comfort and reassurance about her failings now that she is ageing and feels vulnerable and alone. She wants the love of her child and grandchildren only now that she feels there is nothing better on offer.

If you want to grant her that then by all means go ahead. But you don't owe it to her and you must not allow her, your uncle, a priest or anyone else to make you feel you do.

Keep your own family close, love them, protect them, put them first always and give them what you deserved but never got. That will be your personal victory and your proof that you can overcome what has happened to you.

And some more counselling would be a very good idea.

feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 09:59

mirokarivoko

Thank you. One of my mother's customers (not the one that abused me) told me, "with a mum, you'll never be anything." .For some reason that comment hurt as much as all the other things that happened. I've always remembered that remark and especially after meeting the therapist who helped me, I use that comment to motivate me in everything I do.

magicchicken

My wife's father was also absentee. He was nowhere near as bad my mother. He just didn't make time for his daughter after he split up with my wife's mother. It was only when he was aging, he wanted back in my wife's life on a regular basis.

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 10:01

Thank you for all the responses. You've touched my heart. And there's a lot of good advice. I agree with the many who have said I can forgive but I don't have to have my mother in my life as a consequence of it.

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 10:09

As for the comments regarding my feelings towards my mother being heightened once our baby is born . . . I kind of anticipated that. I'm in no shape or form comparing a cat with a baby, but when I lived with my uncle, he had a cat. I fell in love with that animal. She would follow me everywhere and she would sleep in my bed. I became really attached to the animal and I would have done anything to protect her. At the same time my relationship with the cat made me depressed, because I thought if I care so much about a cat, just how much love would a parent have for their child? And it made me think about my mother and what she did. It made me feel less of a person.

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Greyponcho · 05/01/2017 10:38

I'm no therapist but perhaps some of what you're feeling is a hesitancy to let her back in your life just for her to let you and your family down, and knowing how bad that feels, you don't want them to be subjected to the hurt and pain you've suffered by her.
Just because she gave birth to you doesn't give her any rights to your life, how you live it or what you do.
If she's truly reformed she should respect your wishes and recognise that keeping away is the best thing for you, even if it's not what she wants. She's pissed away her chances to be involved with your life, you have no obligation to let her back in.
Flowers for you OP

haveyourselfamerry · 05/01/2017 10:55

I was going to post about my cat but thought it was too flippant so I am delighted that you posted about your relationship with your cat.

I learnt about the physicality of relationships through having a similar love for a cat.
A kind friend at University told me that, despite my fears, I'd be an ok parent because "it will be like the ultimate cat".

And that's exactly what it's been like. Babies are very simple and cat-like, they like the equivalents of being stroked, sitting on your lap, getting cat-food.

My oldest is now 14 and still comes to see me for a cuddle in the morning.

My family story is not unlike yours (though less extreme) and most people would have predicted that I would find parenthood hard.

feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 11:27

greyponcho

Yes, you're right about not being able to trust her. Although she has never reached the point she's at now, before there were times where she said she was clean. But it didn't last.

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feduparsenalfan · 05/01/2017 12:02

haveyourselfamerry

Thanks for your post. I appreciate it.

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haveyourselfamerry · 05/01/2017 17:45

Thanks. it was a bit triggering - I haven't thought about hiding upstairs telling the bloody cat everything would be alright for years.....

bastards. It just goes to show all the advice on here is right....

good luck with it OP, you'll do great.

Mandiba · 05/01/2017 18:06

Fed up,

You sound absolutely lovely and you have done so well considering all you have been through.

You have a wonderful partner & a new baby on the way. You've had therapy and seem to be very self aware. Right now you have everything you need for a happy life and it's everything you deserve.

My advice would be to keep your mother as far away from you & your partner as you possibly can. Let her concentrate on her own life.
Life with a newborn is a huge adjustment and even though it's the most wonderful thing in the world it's stressful.
Stay focused on your little family now and keep moving forward.
Your mother will always be a trigger to you and because of that will be a source of stress.
You don't need it & you shouldn't have to endure it either.
She lost precious years with you and now has to suffer the consequences.

Good luck 💐