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DD being bullied

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furiousatthebullies · 04/01/2017 21:40

Don't want to out myself because I think several of the mums at my dds school use MN. Basically her 'friends' older boyfriend and his mates have taken a dislike to my DD and are using the friend and another few girls to indirectly bully my DD. School are aware of issues between the girls but obviously can't do anything about the older boys. I've been contacted privately by two of the girls in her year group informing me of the situation and how these idiots have been stirring up trouble on a daily basis. I haven't told my DH the full story because he would go absolutely apeshit - these lads are 17/18/19 and he would treat them as adults bullying his daughter. I don't want my DH getting in trouble but I feel wretched for not telling him.
The police aren't really an option because my DD has blocked them all from contacting her so all the name calling and rumour spreading is now coming at her via other pupils who would be very unwilling to co-operate.
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place because I genuinely feel if my DH got involved they would leave my poor girl the fuck alone 😢
AIBU not to tell him or should I just do it and let the chips fall where they may?

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Sybys · 04/01/2017 23:39

How old is your daughter and her 'friend'? That could attract some additional concerns...particularly re. the 18 year old.

TitaniasCloset · 04/01/2017 23:46

This whole thing sounds really dodgy. How old is the girl with the older boyfriend?

Italian Greys posts especially the first one are worth rereading and thinking about.

You do need to tell your dh because he will be even more upset you have kept this from him.

How awful.

MissVictoria · 05/01/2017 00:01

I just want to say as a former bullying victim targeted by a former close friend, you are an AMAZING parent. Definitely do EVERYTHING you can to get this sorted now before it escalates because in my experience, it will. Ideally if your daughter has her phone on her can she try to record one of these over heard conversations as indisputable proof of the bullying? My school refused to do anything about my bully as it was "my word against hers" and they wouldn't jeopardise her education by suspending her or kicking her out in case I was the one lying!
It wrecked my mental health, i was suicidal walking in front of cars on my way to school every morning hoping to get hit so it would just end. There was a brief wave of relief when the end of day bell went but as soon as half way home i'd have rising panic of having to go back next day, be awake til 4/5am every night unable to sleep for fear and worry. my grades slipped massively and not one teacher took me aside to ask why, though i was desperate for one to notice and care. Sadly i kept it from my parents for more than a year til it all came spilling out one wednesday night as i just couldn't cope another day. My mum kept me off the thursday and friday and was straight in to the school next morning, told nothing they could do because i had no "evidence". But a senior teacher who walked in half way through the meeting pulled the bully out of class and told her about my mum going in and what was said! Needless to say she spread a rumour i had falsely accused her of bullying. She had been a good friend from primary from age 5/6, and in year 5 before she moved away to a different school (as her younger brother was being bullied there). She had actually been the one standing up for me protecting me from a male bully who would hurt me physically as well as verbal abuse in the middle of class. She had been so sweet and lovely and protective i was sad she left, and so happy when i got a phone call from her in the Christmas break of my 3rd year at highschool that she was transferring to my school. I was bullied by the popular kids and thought my life would get BETTER for her coming back. The first three days there she talked of nothing but herself and she was nothing of the girl i remembered. She was into drinking, smoking, partying, underage sex and doing drugs, as well as judgemental and nasty, totally the opposite of me and my friends, whom she got a straight "in" with as someone i knew. She turned on me on day 3 of being there, started off as "jokey" insults like you make occasionally with good friends who know you're just playing, but she meant it. It was a daily occurrence she'd call me something horrible as a "joke" then smirk knowing she'd hurt me. A week in i asked my so called best friend to back me up if i confronted her and asked her to stop, just stand by my side whilst i spoke to her and just say she agreed she was being mean and going too far, but she refused. I didn't have the confidence to stand up to her alone but i wish so much i had at that point. 3 months in whilst i was, as usual, last to finish dressing for PE she sent a rumour round the gym of all the girls in my year that i was a lesbian and in year 8 at primary i'd been consoling her over something that had upset her and tried to kiss her. Conveniently in her story it supposedly happened in front of her brother so she had a "witness". Everyone was giving me funny looks when i walked in and there were whispers and i asked what was going on and everyone said "nothing". I got a text that night of a girl i barely knew from my form class saying she'd said something horrible and would tell me next day at school. I was so shocked, but the worst part was my friends of 2.5 years, whom i had had girly chats with for years about which boys in school we fancied etc, believed her, whom they had known 3 months, over me. No matter how many times i told them it wasn't true and never happened i got the "It's ok if you're lesbian/bi, we won't judge or stop being friends with you, we accept you, just be honest" talk over and over. Her bullying increased to all day every day, even in lessons (sadly she sat either next to me or right behind me in every class) She'd be whispering constant insults, laughing at me, throwing things like rubbers and pens at me then tap me on the shoulder and ask for it back. She'd huddle with other girls and talk loudly about me so i could hear just like is happening with your daughter. I'd be told about their after school online chats about me, and the 2 people i thought were my friends stood by, watched me be torn apart and said and did absolutely nothing, they would even laugh along at her "jokes". I was off ill one day we had art. The week after, the day before my next art class a friend of her main side kick who didn't even like me took me aside to warn me that the class i missed was collages, and they'd cut a picture of a hippo out and stuck it in my art book and written all sorts of nasty comments round it, including "Nice photo of you!" and "Everybody here hates you" and this girl had been bragging about it and how she couldn't wait for me to find it next class. I was very grateful to her because i actually would have broken down in class of shock and upset if i hadn't been pre warned, so i took in a sharpie and scribbled it all out, but sitting down as books were passed out and seeing their faces sat opposite me not knowing i knew and waiting for the reaction was horrible. I was relieved for the 6 week holidays and had signed up to do some voluntary work with banardos, just to find out SHE was doing it too and in the same group with my other 2 previous "friends" so i couldn't get away from her even in the summer. We actually got on friendly during our time there, and i really thought things had resolved and changed, she even admitted to my friends about the kiss in primary being a total lie. I went back to school after the holiday thinking everything would be ok now, but it was like those few weeks never happened. She had her posse back, (my 2 friends weren't active in her bullying other than laughing along, which i now know was out of fear of being her next target, there were other girls actively joined in who weren't at the volunteering) In fact she was worse than ever. I was being threatened constantly with outside of school violence too, she hd a total of 7 brothers/step brothers, most in violent gangs, whom she threatened would target my home and my family if i dared ever speak out about her or stand up for myself. That was when i finally broke. It was constant, never ending, i had no friends in school, no friends out of school, i had OCD and by this point depression too, the added anxiety and fear i was a constant wreck, and i stopped coping with the OCD and it was spiralling out of control. My dad was so sad and devastated to find out what had been happening to me, every day half an hour after i got home from school he'd take a break at work to call me, ask how i was, how was my day etc, and every day through silent tears i'd lie and say everything was good. After my mum going in I spent that next final week before half term getting stared at, dirty looks and loads of whispering about me. She didn't actively call me names to my face or say a word at all to me that week which was unnerving, then final day of term walking out of our last class which was PE, i heard a popular girl ask her (prob not knowing i was right behind her and could hear) "So are you going to jump her now?" Seems the plan had been to physically attack me at the end of the final day of term and loads of kids had known about it. Thankfully she had a last minute thing pop up and needed to rush to catch a bus so it didn't happen but it really shook me. I've never been violent in my life and no doubt couldn't have brought myself to hit her or try to defend myself and she was more than happy to hit people.
That half term break finished and i never went back to school. I was medically ruled unfit to attend in person but my teachers refused to send any work home, they couldn't be bothered with the hassle of putting it together, but i now realise they have massively unfair workloads as it is so don't blame them anymore. I went 15 months with no school work what so ever, it got to 3 months before i would have taken my GCSE's when i finally got given home schooling by my local hospitals school. I got 45 mins of english, 45 of maths, 45 of history, and 90 mins of science a week, less than half what i would get in a real school, and was 13 months behind on classwork, coursework and homework. I worked my ass off day and night for those 3 months to take english lit, english language, science, and maths at GCSE, and 1 of the 2 history GCSE papers that counted as a half GCSE. I actually managed B's in maths and history and C's in my 2 english and my science papers, which was a miracle given how behind i was. I felt like a complete failure though. I was predicted 10 A/A* grades and was capable of them had that bullying not ruined my life. It was way too late for me though, My OCD had taken over with the loss of structure of a daily routine of needing to be at school. Once that routine was broken all hell broke loose and i became house bound, had to give up the idea of college, university or working and my life has never recovered. If i hadn't been bullied out of school my OCD may have never taken over how it did, i could have gone to college, then uni or a career and would actually have a life.
I do apologise for the rant, it was semi relevant and its something i've bottled for so long with no support.

I really hope it works out for your daughter, i truly believe part of her is putting on a brave face asking you to not get involved because she's scared to death of the gang up mentality of she dared "snitch" and that she'll be bullied worse by more people, but a persistent parent and the willingness to involve police and collect evidence of the bullying and go to any length to get it stopped is paramount to stop it ruining another life.

furiousatthebullies · 05/01/2017 00:08

They're 15 Confused

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MissVictoria · 05/01/2017 00:10

Sorry not in year 8 at primary, AGED 8 at primary.
I contacted her when i was 18 to ask why she did was she did to me, and her answer was simply "I thought it would be fun, and i got worse and worse with what i did to you to try to get a reaction out of you. You never did anything nasty to me, weren't a bad person, i had no reason to dislike you, it was honestly just for fun, and became like a competition to see how far i had to push you until you'd finally snap and react."
I never reacted because every advice always tells you to ignore bullies and they'll get bored and stop. Turns out that's exactly what fueled her to carry on and up the ante with what she was doing to me. I'll never get over it, and it hurts to know she has a happy life with 2 kids and never faced any consequences for what she did to ruin my life. I just hope her kids aren't brought up to be just like her, but would never wish bullying on them or anyone else, even to make her see how devastating it is.

scaryclown · 05/01/2017 00:10

Fuck this. Tell the police they are exhibiting coercive control over teenage girls and 'punishing' your dd for not putting out to older men and sexualising her negatively in a way that predictibly damages self esteem body image and sexuality. Ask about grooming, coercive control and behaviour that is a precousor to chold abuse... and watch the shitty fallout as they are questioned as sex offenders.

Fuck them. I'd forgive some very hard action on these cunts. Sorry, but its properly nasty.

furiousatthebullies · 05/01/2017 00:11

MissVictoria thank you so much for your post and I'm so so sorry for what you went through Flowers
Bullies are just the scum of the earth and I fear now more than ever my younger DD starting at high school because she is a lot 'softer' than DD1. Dd1 is usually fairly tough and that's how I know that this really is an issue. I will be dealing with this first thing, if I have to remove my DD from school because of it man alive am I going to kick up a stink. And i will be telling my DH in the morning. Thank you all for your replies xx

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Potnoodlewilld0 · 05/01/2017 00:16

You have no right not to tell your Dh about serious issues your dd is having.

There is a serious issue with the girls bullying your dd, regardless of these lads are telling them to say it. They know full well what they are saying.

Id go the whole Hog - police, school, school governors.

Sybys · 05/01/2017 00:16

I'm inclined to agree with scaryclown, particularly if you can get any evidence (screenshots of txt msgs or social media posts).

scaryclown · 05/01/2017 00:19

Oh MissVictoria how awful..:( so sorry to hear all that.. but so pleased you didnt flip and turn into one of them.. you seem to have kept amazing warmth humanity and strength.. as well as courage in understanding that what happened was wrong..so many adopt the altered view of themselves. .me included. . too easily... its given you amazing insights though..

furiousatthebullies · 05/01/2017 00:21

Thanks for all your replies I've got my fighting head on now - nobody fucks with my kids specially not 'adults' so wish me luck. Guns blazing isn't even close. People like this need dealing with and now Angry

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Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 00:22

Furious " I know I'll probably be flamed for saying it but I would happily let my DH backhand the older lads if there were no comebacks that's what they fuckin deserve angry"

I won't flame you but DO NOT allow your dh to make this about him, it is not. Violence, or the threat of it, or harassment etc will 'probably' not work and could inflame things.

scaryclown · 05/01/2017 00:25

Its fighting dirty, but calmly remind the police how the first layer of groomers in Oldham were 15

scaryclown · 05/01/2017 00:26

and that the internet isnt geographical

Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 00:28

MissVictoria thank you for sharing your experiences. I am so sorry this happened.

You said you bottled it up; could I please, please, ask you to get a referral from your GP for counselling. For the OCD and bullying.

I had OCD as a teen and never addressed it, I wish I had, but now I am addressing the eating disorder it morphed into, with counselling.

Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 01:15

"I'll never get over it, and it hurts to know she has a happy life with 2 kids and never faced any consequences for what she did to ruin my life. I just hope her kids aren't brought up to be just like her, but would never wish bullying on them or anyone else, even to make her see how devastating it is."

Please, get help, you may be able to move beyond this and have the closure you need. She is a truly evil person, possibly a sociopath. She really is a piece of shit. But you may find a way to move on.

angeldelightedme · 05/01/2017 02:06

First off thw boys are a red herring. It is the girls who are bullying your dd I thinkthe boys forcing them to do it is a load of bollocks they are imventibg to cover rheje backs.
Secondly your dh going after these youths is a bad idea-.your dh may fondly imagine he can ' backhand them' but they are a lot younger in their physical prime and there are more than one of them.he mighr be badly injured or if not go to jail

LouisvilleLlama · 05/01/2017 02:20

Is it the boys though, I'm not sure but if it's the girls actually saying stuff to your DD isn't that them? Obviously it's a bastard if you can't but I would imagine if the boys are t saying anything themselves to DD then that limits the extent they can get in trouble I would imagine.

I also agree with pps not getting DH involved

Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 02:38

I’ve posted something like this before, but I wonder if it will help you, MissVictoria.

There is lots of info on line about counselling etc.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Counselling/Pages/Talking-therapies.aspx

One thing I have heard about is EMDR - Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing

I have not experienced this but I have heard good things for this and I know EMDR is for post traumatic stress disorder, which includes abuse in childhood and may also
Be applicable for bullying if it has left someone significantly affected.

www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/

This article looks at EMDR… EMDR Therapy: Why Looking Left-To-Right Repeatedly Could Banish Traumatic Memories

This may be available on the NHS or in trial format.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Post-traumatic-stress-disorder/Pages/Treatment.aspx

There may be other things that could help. I found Cognitive Behavioural Therapy brilliant for my anxiety almost 20 years ago. I’ve also began to look into Penny Parks Inner Child theory. This is used for people who had traumatic childhoods, like abuse, which I did not have. But the idea we all have an inner child seems quite sensible to me. I had OCD as a teen which morphed into an eating disorder and I have managed to get some counselling for this, which has helped a lot.

Thanks
Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 02:43

OP I really agree with angeldelightedme an excellent post. Focus on the girls and make sure your dh does not anything silly. Remind him that this is about your dd and not about him. Put your dd first and front and foremost, so any feelings of anger must be directed at sorting this out, long term, not attempting to revenge, no matter how tempting that may be!

That doesn't mean I think you should keep your dh out, but let's face it, we only have the words of these girls that the men are even involved. And even if they are let the school know you expect them to sort it out, with your support (IMHO).

Night night.

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Italiangreyhound · 05/01/2017 02:44

we only have the words of these girls that the men are even involved or ... if we do, maybe ... we only have the words of these girls that the men are even still involved.

Floofborksnootandboop · 05/01/2017 04:17

Unfortunately they cannot dictate what these other discuss 'between themselves' i.e. Very loudly in the vicinity of my DD
Our school tried giving us that bullshit when we contacted them about DD16 being bullied by a couple of her "friends". Ofc I was having absolutely none of that, no they can't dictate what people talk about but when it's vile and untrue things about someone who can hear and also in front of other students and teachers and in the school they can bloody well put a stop to it!! After so many times of them brushing us off I threatened with going to the police with it all and making sure they know that the school refused to do anything even when they had proof of it happening, teachers over hearing and backing up what DD said and also from online conversations we had printed, they soon co-operated with us.

tighterthanscrooge · 05/01/2017 04:33

Sorry but I find the idea of 18 year olds being interested in 15 year old girls very weird, my DDs would be locked in the house if they thought at 15 they'd be hanging round with 18 year old boys.
I remember when I was 15 my friend had an 18 year old boyfriend, I let it slip to my mum and my mum rang her mum and told her Blush
This is just bloody awful for your DD, please get to the school and make them act on these nasty little girls.
The school also need to step up and reinforce to girls that they have their own minds and shouldn't be swayed or made to do anything by anyone else

LouisvilleLlama · 05/01/2017 04:35

This is what i don't understand how they think it's an acceptable excuse. If they were calling the head teacher a cunt and they overheard there would be consequences, the same if they said that a teacher had nice tits etc, basically any foul language to or about staff and we all know they would be punished

Floofborksnootandboop · 05/01/2017 09:20

If they were calling the head teacher a cunt and they overheard there would be consequences, the same if they said that a teacher had nice tits etc, basically any foul language to or about staff and we all know they would be punished

That's what never sat right with me. DS2 told his mate after school that he was glad his English teacher was back from maternity leave because the sub was crap. One of the teachers overheard and he had to write an apology to the sub Hmm but when it came to outright bullying my daughter and making up nasty lies and making horrible comments about her on purpose when she could hear, god no they couldn't possibly say anything because it was a "private conversation" private between the whole 30 pupil class

I still get very angry about it now Angry

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