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AIBU to think we should respect a baby's personal space?

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Susuwatari1 · 03/01/2017 12:57

I'll preface this by saying the way I was raised was to be overly polite ( sometimes to the point of not being able to voice opinions) so I'm probably a little too conservative, but my partner was raised completely differently and there's recently been a bit of a clash. The main issue is the way my partner's dad is with our son ( currently 16months). Whilst he's usually well intentioned there are a few things he does that really irritate me.

when he was younger (from around 6 months)

  • calling my baby a 'twit' if he doesn't immediately turn to look at the thing that he wants him to look at, then forcibly turning his head in that direction

  • shouting "hello" in a irritated/childish way if he doesn't immediately get the response he wants ie. my son's fascinated by a light and not looking at him (hard to convey the tone in text )

*putting his hand in the baby's face and covering his nose/mouth - no idea why he does this, again probably a way of forcing attention.

I know babies don't have personal space in the same way adults do and that they can't give exactly give consent but there is just something about the way my partner's dad behaves with him that irks me.

I try to be tactful in telling him not to do things by saying stuff like 'generally we try not to put things over his nose/mouth because we don't want him to get used to it and pull his blanket over his mouth in his sleep etc.' but this person just cannot take a hint!

Yesterday he decided to make a video with his camera phone of my son in his highchair using continual flash, imo it was too bright to be holding up at close range and I asked repeatedly if he would mind filming without but he ignored me (and his wife who asked multiple times) and just did what he wanted.

Listening to others is a big issue for him in general, He has an outdated sexist attitude saying he doesn't listen to his wife because has 'more important things to think about.' This attitude has rubbed off on my partner causing a lot of friction in our relationship and I really don't want history to repeat with my son. I feel like his attitude is setting a really bad example and that's more irritating than the fact that he doesn't attempt to control his burping/flatulence ect. I guess the root to my irritation is about more than just bad manners.

The thing that prompted me to post is that recently he's started pointing at my son, sticking is finger right up into my son's face and talking ridiculously loudly to get his attention. It's completely unnecessary, it's not like my son isn't socially active, he really engages with everyone around him, just maybe not always at the exact moment my partner's dad wants.

Now we're home and my son is waving his finger about, pointing at people like he's on the apprentice, something he never did before (he used to make open-handed gestures or wave/nod/smile at people to acknowledge them). It's just a little thing but it irritates me because I was always shy growing up and we're trying to do everything we can to help our son's social skills develope.

I feel like saying if it'd be rude to do to an adult you shouldn't be doing it to my son (ie. someone a 'twit' or getting right up in their face), maybe I'm just over protective but I'm so glad we don't have to visit their house for a while now Christmas is over!

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tiggytape · 03/01/2017 13:30

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Dontneedausername · 03/01/2017 13:33

I agree that this isn't really a personal space issue, it's more "my FIL is a sexist bully" issue.
Don't let him come visit anymore.

Billben · 03/01/2017 13:35

then forcibly turning his head in that direction

I would have threatened to rip his f*ing arm off and slap him with it if he had ever done that to my child. What an idiot.

steppemum · 03/01/2017 13:37

I laughed at the thread title, but I am not laughing now.
If it was me, I would be standing up to him. So when he gets his face in the face of ds, put my face in his and say in a 'polite' way "No need to get in his face, he isn't a dog"
When he holds ds face, hold his face and turn it to me and say "I don't like people manhandling me, I am sure you don't and ds doesn't"

With the flash film, put my hand over his camera/flash and look him in the eye and say "Turn the flash off please"

But I am fairly assertive. I know it is much harder to do if you aren't as bolshy as me!
I think the way that works is to be like a very polite road block/broken record. He can't get round you, but he can't argue either, as you aren't arguing. Just repeat the problem.
Hand over flash - please turn it off. Flash gets turned on again, hand over flash, turn it off, repeat ad infinitum.

Eventually he will prompt a showdown, at which point I would say that in my house, with my baby his outdated sexist attitudes are not welcome.

bloodymaria · 03/01/2017 13:37

You have a duty to protect your son from this man, at the moment you're not.

coconutpie · 03/01/2017 13:38

That is abusive behaviour towards your son. I wouldn't allow him have any contact at all. And if your DP won't back you up on this then I'd be reconsidering your relationship if he's happy for his father to emotionally and physically abuse his baby.

Floozie66 · 03/01/2017 13:38

He sounds like a bully and this is abusive behaviour. I would remove your chold from the situation immediately and tell grandad to exactly why this is wrong and it will not be tolerated !

DorcasthePuffin · 03/01/2017 13:39

I would really worry about where this behaviour is leading. Have you seen him interacting with older children? I know it won't be easy, but I think you need to act now to stop this.

Floozie66 · 03/01/2017 13:39

Also never ever leave your baby boy alone with this person

2017watchoutherewecome · 03/01/2017 13:40

We give our pets personal space, if the cat doesn't want to be with us we don't force it to interact so why would anybody force themselves on a baby? They have as much right to personal space as anybody dies.

Simonneilsbeard · 03/01/2017 13:44

Baby's absolutely do have 'personal space' . At 16 months a child is perfectly capable of tuning their head away from a kiss they don't want or pushing away from a hug.
Your fil is sending a clear message that he doesn't give a shit about that. I'm vary aware of it with my own daughter who's 2 I don't think she should be hugged and kissed if she doesn't want it.
This isn't even hugs and kisses..it's physical aggression.
I agree with a pp it was upsetting to read.

TheresABluebirdOnMyShoulder · 03/01/2017 13:46

That was actually very upsetting to read. Please do not allow this man to continue abusing your baby. I would be going NC I think. Or at the very least FIL would not be holding or touching my baby and the first time he said something I didn't like or called him a name we would leave/ask him to leave. Every time without fail. I know it's hard when you hate confrontation and are not accustomed to dealing with it, but your little boy needs you to fight his corner.

You also need to sort things with your partner. If he's not on your side and putting his dad straight then he is complicit in the abuse.

QueenyLaverne · 03/01/2017 13:47

This is totally awful. Makes my blood boil.
Regarding the phone issue, I would have really slowly and purposefully taken it out of his hand thrown it on the floor, looked at it and then stamped on it. Passive aggressive ...not much....Grin

user1477282676 · 03/01/2017 13:47

Why are you exposing your son to this abuse?

Fruitbat15 · 03/01/2017 13:47

How often do you have to see FIL? You'll need to try and limit visits if he doesn't listen imo. Mine is not as bad but similar with my DD aged 21m. He'll grab her out of my arms as soon as we arrive at their house when she's just woken up after the car journey etc, and she starts to cry. I've asked him nicely so many times to just give her 5 mins to wake up properly. So I feel your pain. Try and get DH on board as others have said and be as firm as possible.

user1477282676 · 03/01/2017 13:48

Fruit she doesn't "have" to see him at all! He sounds AWFUL and I wouldn't allow my child to be treated this way and neither should OP!

Clankboing · 03/01/2017 13:52

He is being an awful ignorant bully. In whatever way you see fit, keep your son away from this.

Spikeyball · 03/01/2017 13:57

Babies do have personal space. Mine got very upset when being held when he didn't want to be or even just someone being very close to him. He would bite if they persisted. What you have described goes beyond invading personal space and into abuse.

Aki23 · 03/01/2017 13:59

I got as far as your partners dad depriving your child of oxygen. If that was my child I would have thumped him and threatened the police if that ever happened again.

Nanna50 · 03/01/2017 14:09

I think everyone needs personal space, including a 16 month old, imagine how threatening it must feel for a baby or toddler to have an adult coming this close to you gesturing, shouting and flashing lights?
I have seen adults vying for a child's attention before and it is pathetic. I also agree with the person who said he is undermining you. If FIL will not stop immediately then I would be removing the child from the situation as you do not give consent for him to be treated this way.
Does your child become upset? Your DH needs to support you in this.

NovemberInDailyFailLand · 03/01/2017 14:13

WTF? I would never see this excuse for a human again. I would be crazy with rage if anyone called my baby names or put their hand in his face.

The first attempt would be the last. I say attempt.

NovemberInDailyFailLand · 03/01/2017 14:14

You're his mother. Protect him right now!

wibblywobblywoo · 03/01/2017 14:15

I rolled my eyes when I read the title of this thread by having read your full post I am truly horrified.

I think you are maybe a little shy to intervene fully when these things occur - don't be!!

New year, new start. From now on intervene totally and immediately to anything like this - and imagine all of us standing alongside you as you do - every poster has said the same thing so never ever doubt for one moment that your own feeling is wrong - we all think the same.

Be that lioness protecting her cub or whatever image helps you to simply say NO!!! whenever and however this man behaves so badly. You will never be wrong so don't ever fear that you are. Stand up, woman up and shut him down. You owe it to your DS.......he can't do it for himself.

At the end of the day it's your DS so it's your rules - say that if other words fail you - sounds like a long explanation of anything is wasted on this Neanderthal anyway so don't bother just "NO!.... NO!!!!! - My son, my way, end of." be prepared to repeat it a lot but what's the alternative, letting this dreadful situation continue for even a day longer - absolutely NOT!!!

Good luck OP, stay strong.

Oldraver · 03/01/2017 14:17

I try to be tactful in telling him not to do things by saying stuff like 'generally we try not to put things over his nose/mouth because we don't want him to get used to it and pull his blanket over his mouth in his sleep etc

DONT DO THAT...preferably at screechy level is the only thing you should be saying to someone who does that

littleme2016 · 03/01/2017 14:20

This is all so inappropriate and frightening towards your little boy.

Can your partner have words with his father over the behaviour. I think if things don't improve or this conversation cannot be had for whatever reason, you would not be unreasonable to limit or cease contact altogether.

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