To be very pissed off (health related)

[Ofalltheginjoints]

After a bit of a rough 2016 health wise I was looking forward to a good 2017, today woke up looking like I'd gone 10 rounds with a boxer and GP tells me I've got Mumps, bloody Mumps, despite having had the MMR vaccine twice (who knew it can run out)

I feel very sorry for myself, going to have to miss work for the next 5 days (at least), miss family events and I'm worried I've infected other people before I knew I had it (thank god DN has had his injections)

AIBU to want to cry with frustration that this has happened after everything else last year

Cote, the childhood illnesses that we vaccinate for cause are more common and thus more likely to have serious side effects in children, that's why we vaccinate. Yes those illnesses do happen in adult hood but it's not as common . I wasn't aware you thought I was specifically talking about mumps but yes your absolutely correct with it being dangerous post puberty, the vaccine is effective for 20 yrs post vaccine when the 3 infection program is used. I'll have to check up on the incidence of mumps in adulthood but I do recall it's pretty low

Oh cote I may have to direct you to some valid research sites via a private message as that's an incredibly generalised and innacurate response to state!!!

Just anecdotal,,,

But my father had mumps when he was an adult (I was already born). It wasn't really an issue for me. But he was really really sick (he was vaccinated, I wasn't...) and was extremely worried about having fathered only one child ;)

Horatio your poor Dad I can imagine how worried he was!

betty

Very worried. Although I remember being more bemused as a child.

Anyhow, DH gets boosters...

Horatio how much does your DH pay? I work in the NHS and my children follow our vaccine program but even I get my worries and concerns over vaccines, I do get the concern!I recall that sense of unease when they had their mmr despite extensive reading of the original trials and knowing risk/benefit I'm just curious, with hindsight I would have given my 3 the varicella vaccine -sorry op I'll get away from vaccines. Cote I'm mobile at mo but when home I'll send info if you're interested :)

The real issue is poor public health education on infectious childhood illnesses and vaccinations.
Polio used to be commonplace but is now virtually eradicated in the western world because of effective vaccine programmes and herd immunity.
Smallpox killed virtually all children who came into contact with the virus. An effective vaccine programme including herd immunity has totally eradicated the disease globally.
Most parents nowadays would not recognise measles and most kids would survive an outbreak but I have seen the effect of measles encephalopathy, post measles pan sclerosis grandfather tuberosclerosis causing brain damage and death. Nasty bug that could be eradicated if we educated more effectively.
Rubella is barely an illness if contracted - unless you happen to infect a women in first trimester before you even know you have it and cause her child to be born deaf/blind. Nasty bug that could be eradicated if we all took the sensible, evidence based approach. Luckily rubella damaged children are rarely born nowadays but how horrible to push a women to decide to abort because you didn't have your own child immunised.
We should insist on vaccination certificates for children at school registration (except those very few genuinely immunosuppressed children).

Is it just people with wonky immune systems that lose the... Err, immunity?
I was vaccinated (abroad) for rubella as a teen, when I had DS it turns out I'm definitely not immune. For the life of me I can't recall why, but they checked again after my booster and I'm still not immune!

I also can't touch some of the boosters as they also have the tetanus vaccine in them and I had a bad reaction to it some years back.

Rubella is one of the mildest diseases known to man. So mild that many parents don't even know that their children have had it. "Fever" of only 37.5 C, pinprick rash that doesn't itch & disappears in 24 hours.

And it almost killed me and left me permanently disabled. I caught it 18 months before the MMR came out in the UK. I developed encephalitis and was left half deaf, with crippling migraines, loss of peripheral vision, light sensitivity, chronic pain, and dyslexic and dyscalculic like processing problems.

Afterwards my immunity was checked. I was not fully immune naturally. So I was one of the first older children to be given an MMR. When there was a measles outbreak in 1994 a lot of my school friends had it for the first time. I opted for a second dose. In 1997 during another measles outbreak I opted for it again. Both of these times I was old enough to choose to have it. That's how ill I was as a young child. Ill enough that as a teenager I would willingly get myself injected to avoid going through that hell again. And I still caught encephalitis again from some random virus when I was 18. I've been told I'll be susceptible to it for the rest of my life because I've already had it once. I was honestly lucky to have survived it once, let alone twice. I fear the 3rd time will kill me.

When I had DS I was tested as 100% immune to measles, mumps and rubella. Ive only actually had rubella. When I started working as an HCA a few years later I was tested again as all HCPs need to have a reasonable immunity or proof they've been vaccinated. I was still 100%. I would have been happy to have a 4th MMR although I can't now as I've now had a transplant and can't have live vaccines.

It is always possible to request a booster whenever you want. Vaccines are not just for small children and they can wear off or not provide full immunity. Until recently, herd immunity was at such a level that those who weren't 100% immune were relatively safe as cases were fewer, but now, the rate of unvaccinated people is rising and therefore the cases are going up and the people who haven't been 100% immune are finding out the hard way.

Well the original polio vaccination most certainly was not safe. And caused many deaths.

nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/dr-marys-monkey-from-polio-to-cancer.html?m=1

Rubella is a fucking awful disease to catch in pregnancy - I cared for someone who was profoundly deaf with numerous physical diaablities and profound learning disabilities requiring 24/7 care. Apparently children are very rarely born with that syndrome nowadays but I would guess that's thanks to our vaccination programmes.

Having also cared for adults with encephalitis - which can have serious life long effects and is again a horrible disease , one of the scariest I've ever encountered , I wouldn't be doing anything that puts a child of mine at risk , including choosing to expose them to diseases such as measles, chickenpox etc. It isn't worth it at all.

My mum had to terminate a pregnancy because of rubella and it nearly left her infertile so it isn't harmless at all.

The feotus was already severely affected and the likelihood of it being born healthy were null. But yeah, I'm alright Jack, right?

If your going to link something as a fucking fact dont try using a halfbaked conspiracy site.

"My mum had to terminate a pregnancy because of rubella and it nearly left her infertile so it isn't harmless at all."

Young women should be tested for rubella immunity and offered vaccines if found to be nom-immune >>> That is the smart way to do it and I would support it wholeheartedly.

Boys should be vaccinated for no benefit to themselves and girls should be vaccinated as babies, preventing them from getting the disease and being immune for life, for the benefit of a hypothetical adult woman they may not ever meet, leaving them liable to waning vaccine immunity in their childbearing years >>> The stupid way to do it that is against the interests of all children concerned, boys and girls.

So, as you can see, a little more complicated than "I'm alright Jack". Have a think about it.

"In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

Under normal circumstances, "childhood diseases" (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox etc) result in lifetime immunity, except if immune system was somehow compromised or immature the first time around.

That's bollocks. Total and complete bollocks. I had chicken pox when I was 7 or 8, can't remember exactly. Blood tests during pregnancy revealed that my chicken pox immunity is so low it's almost non-existent. Natural immunity can wear out. And I dare, Azur you get a life-long immunity for your children for polio or other illnesses which were thought to have been almost eradicated in our countries till people started "going back to the natural roots" and stopped vaccinating their children because of some idiotic reasonings.

I think quoting studies behind vaccination programmes 70 years ago to explain why you're playing fast and loose with your children/other people's children's lives is rubbish. I haven't seen a single anti-vaxxer quote a credible study yet - so not much research going on definitely.

The vaccine damage fund payouts to 2005 only amounted to 3.5m from 1997 (assuming full payout of 120k thats 30 cases!) because there aren't many causes of true vaccine damage in modern Britain (mainly because of better testing, better awareness of allergies, better awareness of who not to vaccinate). Compare that to 2011 when 432 people worldwide were dying everyday of Measles. Before the immunisation programmes started that figure was 8 times that.

CoteDAzur - kids are immunized because they were the ones infecting unprotected adults. Most pregnant women who caught rubella got it from heir own or someone else's unvaccinated child. And not all childhood vaccinations lose potency as you get older - depends on your immune system. I had MMR over 25 years ago and had to be tested again as part of infertility tests and I am still immune.

daily

Well, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But even to me this sounds like a lazy excuse.

Nobody here said that they're against adults being vaccinated... a medical procedure should be for the good of the child, not of anybody else.

And the other argument some have made, that anti-vaxxers are relying on herd immunity? That's just not true. Every anti-vaxxer (or partial anti-vaxxer) I ever spoke to was aware that their children could, for example, get the measles.
They simply believed that this posed less of a risk than the vaccine.

In other words, if I thought vaccinating DD against rubella was bad for her? Well, I would not let her be vaccinated.

Would you do something you'd see as detrimental to your DC's health to protect someone else's? I certainly wouldn't.

Hope you get better soon OP and a good reminder to people to consider getting boosters, I shall when I have enough spare money to pay. Or wonder if its cheaper to check my immune levels?

Immunity is a funny thing, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it wears off, sometimes it doesn't. My dad got whooping cough as an adult, my mum didn't catch it from him despite never being vaccinated and never having a known case of whooping cough (she must have been exposed to it at some point and developed immunity without even getting ill)

Natural immunity isn't guaranteed. I had measles when I was 7, it was horrible. I'd also had 4 MMR vaccines, two before measles and two after, yet when tested for immunity when pregnant with dc3 I wasn't immune to either measles or rubella despite being immune a few years before.

I had full blown measles and my immune system is fine just for some reason my immunity to measles and rubella doesn't stick. I am naturally immune to TB though despite never having a vaccine or TB.

Immunity is a complex thing that I won't even pretend to understand but my dcs have had all their vaccines because I remember how God awful I felt with measles and I wouldn't want them to get that if it can be avoided.

I'm not an anti-vaxer, either. DC are vaccinated for everything under the sun except Hep B and MMR. They had measles singles and meningitis vaccines, too.

What I am against is doing medical procedures (including vaccinations) on my DC that are against their best interests.

Anyone who will be clutching their pearls at this should get their thumbs out and campaign for young women to get tested for rubella immunity before they get pregnant. Because if you rely on my DC to get injected twice to save your/their asses, you will be sorely disappointed.

"I had measles when I was 7, it was horrible. I'd also had 4 MMR vaccines, two before measles and two after, yet when tested for immunity when pregnant with dc3 I wasn't immune to either measles or rubella despite being immune a few years before. "

There is clearly something bizarre going on with you. You must know at some level that this is not normal.

That is one of the reasons why DC just had measles single vaccines. I'd rather they get mumps and rubella & be immune for life.

What a stupid thing to say!