To be very pissed off (health related)

[Ofalltheginjoints]

After a bit of a rough 2016 health wise I was looking forward to a good 2017, today woke up looking like I'd gone 10 rounds with a boxer and GP tells me I've got Mumps, bloody Mumps, despite having had the MMR vaccine twice (who knew it can run out)

I feel very sorry for myself, going to have to miss work for the next 5 days (at least), miss family events and I'm worried I've infected other people before I knew I had it (thank god DN has had his injections)

AIBU to want to cry with frustration that this has happened after everything else last year

[Clandestino]

All of you saying anti-vaxxers are selfish... if you were convinced that vaccinations would harm your child. Would you be 'selfish' or choose to vaccinate DC for the sake of others? I know what I'd choose to do.

I hadn't known what effect vaccines will have on my child before she was vaccinated. I still did it because I found it important.
Most of the anti-vaxx claims are based on studies which had been proven false (like the one with autism). And I believe it is selfish to rely on herd immunity if you are actively working on lowering it by not vaccinating your child. There are already valid exceptions to vaccinations, children with immune disorders and they rely on herd immunity to be protected against diseases such as polio etc.

[DailyFail1]

They are selfish and ignorant because their disease management plan in the UK relies on other people's kids being immunized. The minute it gets screwed up either because a kid from overseas who hasn't had vaccinations either gets measles/rubella, or their child catches TB while on holiday their whole attitude to the 'risk' changes.

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

How very miserable OP. I hope that you feel better soon.

[1horatio]

Yes, if I believed vaccinations were harmful to DD she would not be vaccinated. of course not.

[OhFFSAreYouSerious]

Against my better judgement, I'll bite.

My husband's job is to develop vaccines. The testing they are legally required to do before a vaccine even gets near a patient is incredibly rigorous. Pharma companies need to be as certain as they can that a vaccine is safe. The potential for lawsuits is too big a risk. No pharma company wants to be bankrupted by litigation.

There is no proven link between vaccines and the causation of harm in patients. Vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives.

If you choose not to vaccinate your children you are, simply, being very stupid.

[Potentialmadcatlady]

OhFFS.. I will bite back...I AM not being v stupid...some of Us cannot vaccinate our kids because the risk is simply too high.. While I realise my case is an unusual one because of my kids health issues I get really fed up being called stupid, selfish, ignorant and mentally deficient ( horribly rude term) ...in SOME cases vacs are just simply not suitable. I would LOVE MY CHILD TO BE WELL ENOUGH TO GET VACS.. He isn't and calling me stupid isn't helpful

Again OP I wish you a quick recovery

[1horatio]

Yes. Which is why we do vaccinate DD.


I simply said: if I believed it would harm her (which I don't) I certainly wouldn't let her be vaccinated.

[Clandestino]

Potential, as I have already written - there are cases when children have compromised immunity due to disorders and I would certainly never judge any parent of such child if the advice of doctors is not to vaccinate. That's what the herd immunity is for, to protect these individuals who can't afford be vaccinated themselves due to potential risks.
I call anyone else who believes that their child will be autistic because of a fake study etc. and therefore they don't let their children be vaccinated extremely selfish.

[Topseyt]

Sorry to hear you aren't well and hope it subsides very soon. Mumps is painful.

It is possible to get some of these illnesses more than once, so maybe that is why the vaccines cannot be 100%. My DD1 had an MMR booster at 18 before going away to start university. She got to the end of her first year, came home and in the car on the way back began to feel ill. Went to the doctor a couple of days later and they were surprised to see that it looked like she had mumps. We hadn't thought it could be that even though the symptoms were there, because all her vaccinations and boosters were up to date. We were clearly wrong.

I too was looking forward to a better 2017 health-wise (broken arm in Feb 2016 and still ongoing issues with it). Not to be for now though. I have started it with bronchitis so am feeling pretty sorry for myself at the moment too.

and get better soon.

[Annabel11]

Hope you get better soon. You WILL get better soon :)

[Potentialmadcatlady]

Thanks Clandestino

[Ofalltheginjoints]

Gandalf's that's really interesting about the Hep B, I've had multiple Hep B injections (completed the course at least twice and had the boosters) but when I was having blood tests to work on a hospital research project they found I didn't respond how interesting, I feel I should maybe research this further!

DP is concerned about whether he has had his injections and whether he will catch it, at least he'll be the only person I'm in physical contact with for the next 5 days.

Thanks for everyone's comments, didn't mean to start a vaccine debate! And thanks for the Netflix recommendation, any others welcome!

[GreatFuckability]

I love the people who assume all people who don't vaccinate have one hive mind. . My kids aren't vaccinated, I don't 'rely on herd immunity' (partly because I don't really believe herd immunity is a thing for most vaccines), and I certainly don't think any differently when there is an outbreak of a disease. When measles did the rounds here a few years ago, I just carried on with my life. No big deal. They were all fine, had they got measles then id have dealt with it and accepted that that was my choice.

[GreatFuckability]

And if there was no proof of vaccines damaging people, we wouldn't have a vaccine damage payment scheme.

[Clandestino]

I love the people who assume all people who don't vaccinate have one hive mind. hmm. My kids aren't vaccinated, I don't 'rely on herd immunity' (partly because I don't really believe herd immunity is a thing for most vaccines), and I certainly don't think any differently when there is an outbreak of a disease. When measles did the rounds here a few years ago, I just carried on with my life. No big deal. They were all fine, had they got measles then id have dealt with it and accepted that that was my choice.

My father was a heavy smoker since he was 13. He is 67 now and no trace of a pulmonary disease. Judging by your post this would mean that all the talk about vaccines bad for you is scaremongering?

[pickledparsnip]

There is no proven link between vaccines and the causation of harm in patients

OhFFS are enough for real?
Why is there a government vaccine damage payment scheme available then?
Have you actually read a vaccine insert? They quite clearly list a whole range of harmful things that can occur from vaccines. Jeez.

OP I hope you feel better soon.

[pickledparsnip]

you not enough

[KnittedBlanketHoles]

some of Us cannot vaccinate our kids because the risk is simply too high

In which case you're not included in the anti-vaxx group as you would vaccinate if you could.

[Clandestino]

Have you actually read a vaccine insert? They quite clearly list a whole range of harmful things that can occur from vaccines. Jeez.

Have you read list of potential side-effects on any medication? Even herbal teas such as liquorice can cause you serious harm. Try eating salad lovingly prepared from the lovely Lily of the Valley.
The payment scheme is there mainly because of scaremongers spreading the autism connection which was a lie. I personally prefer the risks rather than facing the possibility of my child catching polio or smallpox.

[Bettyspants]

Potential, I am sure that ohffs did not include children who can or havevaccines for medical reasons.

I'm also amazed when people are surprised that they've contracted a disease that they've had a vaccine for. No one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% effective
But they using valid evidence based research they are the most sensible option for those that are able to have them.

We don't do immunity screening or boosters in adulthood like in the states as it's in childhood these diseases are more likely happen and to have serious consequences.

Get better soon op

[CoteDAzur]

"It is possible to get some of these illnesses more than once, so maybe that is why the vaccines cannot be 100%"

That doesn't have anything to do with it.

Immune response to vaccines just isn't as high as what happens when body actually fights off the disease.

Under normal circumstances, "childhood diseases" (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox etc) result in lifetime immunity, except if immune system was somehow compromised or immature the first time around. I had measles twice because I was a small baby the first time and immune system wasn't mature enough. I had it again at 8, which wasn't fun.

[CoteDAzur]

"it's in childhood these diseases are more likely happen and to have serious consequences."

Actually no, they have far more serious consequences if you have these diseases as an adult. Example: Having mumps as a boy is a nuisance, but having it after puberty as a young man means risking infertility. Having rubella as a young girl is a breeze but having it as a woman might be disastrous if you are pregnant.

[Bettyspants]

Actually we are seeing more admissions to hospital with children having repeat childhood illnesses that traditionally were thought to provide immunity . My own children had chicken pox more than once with one needing admission 😷 its impossible to gage how a child will react to naturally acquiring a disease that could also be vaccine preventable, sadly I'm seeing more children admitted over recent years. Acquiring immunity from a natural disease process is fine if the child is going to have a mild reaction and not be exposed to others (who may be in at risk groups) but it really isn't a sensible option . Anyway luckily childhood illnesses are not common in adults (hence no boosters here unless you pay) and op is really unlucky!

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

I hope you feel better soon OP.

I was vaccinated against everything that was available in the 1970s, apart from whooping cough. There was a scare about the vaccine and DM and DF decided against me having it. They are neither selfish or ignorant, they just didn't want to put me at risk of side effects. It wasn't an easy decision for them as they knew the potential consequences of whooping cough.

I didn't know childhood vaccines expire. Are boosters available for adults (not that I'd have them) or is it something you'd need to pay privately for.

[CoteDAzur]

"luckily childhood illnesses are not common in adults"

They used to be unheard of in adults.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that they will get increasingly more common in adults as today's middle-aged-to-older people with natural immunity are replaced by those with waning vaccine immunity.