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Gastric bypass on the cheap...

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hungryhippo90 · 26/12/2016 15:29

Posting here for traffic. After a particular shit time, I'm sat with a pen and paper, writing out goals for next year. So I've a few things to look towards in the coming year.

The biggest thing that would make me happiest is having a gastric bypass. I have always had issues with food. As a child I couldn't stop myself. I reached the age of 13-14 and started using anorexic techniques to not eat or severely restrict my diet

OP posts:
QODRestYeMerryGentlemen · 27/12/2016 00:09

I don't need B12 injections. I do take prescription vitamins as they're formulated for the elderly with 200% of daily rec dose etc as I don't absorb everything. Also iron until menopause plus ad cal calcium tabs

Pennypabs · 27/12/2016 00:37

I had a similar operation (sleeve gastrectomy) in early 2011. I went from heaviest weight of around 27 stone to about 12/13 stone now. I got it on the NHS - takes a couple of years and a lot of hoops to jump through but definitely look into this route over paying for a cheapie. I also tried a gastric balloon - waste of time IMO.

Also look into the sleeve over the bypass - it expands slightly over time and gives you more freedom to eat slightly more normally as time goes on, whereas I know bypass patients who struggle with a lot of foods and get a lot of throwing up fits. At one point surgeons were favouring it as the gold standard of weight loss surgery, but have a research into it.

Would I recommend it? For me personally, it transformed my life. I was half dead and depressed at my heaviest weight. I'm now active and have a new lease on life. I'd never have got out there and met my DP and done half the things I've done in the last six years as my big self.

But don't get me wrong. It's extremely hard (and yes, I spent nearly 25 years on various failed diets before so I can tell you it's not the "easy" option as some think). I felt like I'd been hit like a bus after the op. Couldn't sleep lying down for weeks. Had to take a month off work as was too weak to move due to the tiny amount of mush I could eat (think lick a spoon dipped into yoghurt and feel violently sick and full). But the weight does drop off at first. Once you recover, you'll love the results.

In the long term, it still has massive downsides. I will always, always have food issues mentally. This won't cure that. I know colleagues whose surgery has failed as they want to go back to their "normal" way of eating, just a bit reduced. I don't have multipacks of anything in the house as I know I will demolish the whole thing. Things like chocolate and crisps will slide right through your tummy without filling you up so you can still eat ,masses of those if you don't restrain yourself. I have slips where I go through a patch of bad eating and put on weight. It is possible. I hate my loose skin more than I could have imagined, but my DP has made me so much more comfortable with it so that helps.

I can now (after 6 years) eat a tiny starter and a small main meal and I will be stuffed. And I mean stuffed. You will always have people commenting on why you're "not eating" or getting offended you don't like their cooking or get panicky about you not having enough etc. Some foods will be off the table forever - I can manage about four chippy style chips before they make their way back up again. You have to eat regularly every few hours and not "save yourself" for a big meal later on, as your tummy gets so tight you get stuffed up after a few bites.

At the end of the day, it depends on your circumstances and what you feel you want and you have the energy to manage. I know I've sounded a bit of a downer in this thread, but I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat personally. you have a long think about what's right for you. I honestly wish you all the luck in the world in whatever journey you find yourself on.

MavisTheTwinklyToreador · 27/12/2016 01:02

I've had a bypass on the NHS, it was a 2 year process to get me ready. It's not the easy option many think it is. I'm 18 months post op and I am malnourished. I have iron, vit b and calcium deficiencies. It's not easy. I still cannot eat a half a meal. I drink too much alcohol just to get calories and feel better. I have now lost 8 stone but honestly I was happier fat..

MavisTheTwinklyToreador · 27/12/2016 01:09

So sick of cold food, i have to eat about 4 fork fulls at a time. There's only so many times you can ping a meal and it remains edible. Eating out is transformed. I struggle to eat a starter, main is out of the question.

Food used to be social and a joy to me. Not any more. There's a strong emotional cliff to deal with. It's honestly like a bereavement.

FruitCider · 27/12/2016 05:45

I would be very surprised if any surgeon would perform weight loss surgery on anyone with a history of eating disorders. You may find your plan falls short at the first hurdle.

BalthazarImpresario · 27/12/2016 07:05

Use the money on therapy then coach, my friend had a bypass and I do not envy her weight loss (I'm overweight) she has been so ill, doesn't look healthy and the addiction to food shifted to cigarettes, alcohol, drugs etc because she didn't deal with why she was over eating, the head is powerful you need to get control of that first.

MaitlandGirl · 27/12/2016 07:13

A friend of ours had a hypnotic gastric band. We (including her) were all sceptical but she's lost 40kgs and looks/feels amazing.

If that's something you think might work it's definitely looking into.

Toomanycats99 · 27/12/2016 07:39

I know someone who had a bypass. It's major surgery and she ended up in intensive care. It also stops you absorbing nutrients which can have other major impacts. The big issue though was that the overeating was a way to deal with psychological issues and these became far more serious without that release. If you have already identified your over eating is emotion based you need to deal with that as the priority. It is not the answer. The NHS should provide full counselling first and in my friends case this was missing.,

QODRestYeMerryGentlemen · 27/12/2016 09:04

My hospital NHS were wonderful. I see them annually now nearly 6 yrs on. I'm chubby but I'm healthy and fit
I have back pain and joint issues from being so fat that manifest now as I walk and hold myself different so you are sometimes left with other issu s. But I'm sure I'd have died at 50 odd of a stroke or heart attack
I have no regrets, I eat off a side plate, have starters mstead of mains when I go out and share food and "oh I don't like sweet food" when I go out (as I'll dump (hot sweats, diarrhoea and vomiting) if I eat too much sugar or processed fat)
I do admit I now drink more alcohol than I ever did as it's enjoyable and I get that AHHHH feeling that you get after a declicious meal which I miss. A lot
I had a tiny Lidl lobster for xmas dinner as a roast usually makes me feel sick yet I managed one yesterday easily - 1 slice of beef, 2 spuds,4 sprouts and a Yorkshire
I embrace it mentally, yes it's hard, yes I vomit, yes I feel sick, yes I sometimes just want to eat what I want!! But I did that for 20 yrs and weighed a ton
I want to live

I know of 3 people who have serious issues post op, 1 is seriously malnourished and I think will not live long ☹️But she likes be No able to eat sweets all day and lose weight all the time (took too much intestine away) - 1 has severe Osteoporosis and keeps breaking bones and 1 needs iron transfusions regularly
However, they were all grossly diabetic type 2 awfully fat before

Most of us are hugely improved health wise

I still have the same eating disorder. I still think constantly what I can eat next, I still pick and nibble, however, I'm just a normal short chubby aize 14 with a future.

WanMairChoon · 27/12/2016 09:32

It's shameful that people can get this op on the nhs, really irritates me. GO and get therapy. And a pair of trainers. You lose the weight, yes but you end up chronically malnourished which is the root cause of many major illnesses. It's such an unhealthy thing to do. Wasteful and indulgent.

I lost eight stone once. all it took was some therapy, and getting off my huge ass. And because it took a year of discipline there's no way it will ever go back on. And yes, I too had del seated emotional issues, I think most people with serious weight problems do.

Idefix · 27/12/2016 10:04

You are a rarity Wan most people cannot lose this amount of body weight with counselling and a pair of trainers...go you though.

As for the cost implication for the NHS, WLS is far cheaper and gives a better quality of life to the majority of recipients than treating the diseases associated with obesity, type 2 diabetes, CHD, hypertension, CVD etc.

I see people day in and day out at work who are repeatedly advised to lose weight and do not manage it. Buying trainers and counselling is not working for most people.

Sirzy · 27/12/2016 10:07

Just because that worked for you wan doesn't mean it works for everyone.

I have lost 8 stone, doesn't mean I think my methods would work for all. Nor does it mean I am unable to see why for some people WLS is needed, it is never going to be anything but a last resort and is never going to be an "easy" option. It isn't a route I would ever have been brave enough to go down!

Being morbidly obese is much more likely to be a drain on the NHS than helping people to lose the weight and tackle the problems - even if surgery is part of that package

hungryhippo90 · 27/12/2016 11:54

Reading through the lovely replies, then I saw yours Wan. Do read the thread.

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hungryhippo90 · 27/12/2016 12:07

I love how people like yourself judge Wan, I'm not asking the NHS to pay for my OP. I am happy to pay for it myself, despite the fact I have been telling them since I was 14 years of age My relationship with food was not healthy. Maybe they could have helped me before I got to this stage.
And like I've also stated up the thread, I have tried many different ways. I feel like an operation is the last resort. Not an oh I want to do it the easy way, I'll have an operation.

This may not be something you realise, but I don't have a spare £8000+ sat in my account that I'm searching for a use for, that money will be hard to save. I don't particularly like the idea of having an operation with the risks to my health involved. I don't like the idea of being away from my child for the time of operation and recovery. I also HATE the idea that after that operation, I will never be able to tuck into a hearty meal again and really enjoy it.

It isn't the easy option at all. Anyone who knows someone who's had it will know that. I wish that people who thought throwing on a pair of trainers would cure me would just shut up. Obviously you aren't in the same situation and obviously you don't understand that I walk 1+ hour every single day. I do exercise.
I can also eat properly for up to five weeks! I managed to lose 2 stone in the beginning of January, I thought I'd cracked it, I hadn't,
I started dog walking. I thought that would be the key to losing weight and being healthier. It wasnt.

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Ubertasha2 · 27/12/2016 12:13

Babe, I don't think you need an op. How about investing in a fab dietician/life coach and personal trainer when you are ready?

I am in a similar boat- I am a resting actor who is 6 stone overweight and this is holding me back in so many ways. I've almost checked out of life, everything is on hold until I personally, tackle my weight. Not to mention the health aspects.

I've been told to focus on small goals (i.e. little steps in the 'right' direction), so instead of seeing my 6 stone as a mountain to conquer, to break down into little chunks like 6lbs at a time and to then reward myself with a spa treatment or a theatre trip etc etc (not ice cream, sadly!) when I achieve the weight loss. Could this be an idea for you, OP?

lovelearning · 27/12/2016 12:24

I don't think you need an op

Welcome to the MN Weight Loss Support Group

WanMairChoon · 27/12/2016 13:14

Hungryhippo, I have read the thread. there were a few initial posts along the NHS surgery route.

Anyway, My point is that it really isn't the answer because the same money, spent on therapy and a personal trainer would be far more beneficial. Mutilating yourself to stop yourself from overeating doesn't enable you to deal with the underlying issues, also it does definitely leave your body weaker....and much harder to nourish. In my lowest moments, I knew that wasn't the answer. Even though the idea of magically wiping the slate clean is sooo appealing when you're desperate. But without a significant mind shift, you'll be in the same position wrt eating habits. You'll find a way around the physical limitations of a gastric band.

If you think about it, by the time you've gone to your gp, been referred....etc, I imagine that's a good six months. In that time, you could lose at least three stone. Just by making it through one meal at a time...even if you're ten stone overweight, that's a third of it gone.

For me, what broke the cycle was moving into a shitty old flat which needed to be thoroughly decorated. And I had no money. So I did it all myself....suddenly I realised the weight was falling off me. I was just thoroughly engrossed in something that wasn't about food. A few weeks of that seemed to reset my hormone levels and by that time my referral for therapy came through.

Also there's loads of support on here in the weight loss groups, it might be worth checking those out. I had twins a year ago and found those forums, especially the low carb boot camp really helpful.

Marilynsbigsister · 27/12/2016 17:01

Surely when anyone wants to improve their health it's a 'good thing' .

If the current situation is literally 'life threatening ' as morbid obesity is, then surely any sensible logical human being would want to use the most effective, long term , sustainable method in which to achieve that outcome.

I would research all the available treatments and therapies and read up on all the research I could lay my hands on.
Then I would choose the best method based on long term outcome.
If this was counselling and gym shoes then that is what I would do. Sadly it's not.

This is without a shadow of a doubt Weightloss surgery, specifically a gastric bypass. - it's a fact backed up by real science and long term research. As with ALL SURGERY there are morbidities. This happens with ALL surgery. People die having their appendix out. They have them out because they will die if they don't. People have WLS for the same reason. They will die if they don't lose weight.

Sorry Wan but you are talking utter nonsense and have not the slightest idea of the complex issues surrounding obesity and disordered eating. Your 'irritation' is also misplaced. People who lose weight and stop being obese save the cost of their surgery within 2 yrs. this is well documented and another reason the NHS is happy to fund providing the criteria is met. Your attitude is very very short-sighted.
Prior to her bypass my sister used the following NHS services.
Monthly diabetic nurse.
Diabetic chiropodist
Physiotherapist at specialist osteoarthritis centre for knee pain.
Appointments (3monthly) at sleep clinic plus expensive cpap oxygen machine.
Minimum of 1 gp appointment a month for various aches/pains/infections caused by obesity.
Depression- medicated.

Since losing 4 stone she is no longer diabetic. No longer has sleep apnoea. Is coming of of ADs (next week will finish) No longer has physio.
Best of all - almost instantly 'cured' of diabetes.
Please explain why anyone would be 'irritated' by this? It shows a ridiculous lack of compassion and a breathless disregard for science and research and fact.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 27/12/2016 18:18

I read up thread that your bmi is 50 - I'm pretty sure this qualifies for NHS surgery even if you don't have a comorbidity. Check when you move to your new area.

Gingernaut · 28/12/2016 09:44

The criteria varies from area to area.

Someone with a BMI of 50 might qualify for surgery in a relatively 'healthy' area in the south of the country, but here in the West Midlands, people have 'achieved' a BMI of nearly 70 (Shock Confused) and still not qualified as there are people with higher BMIs and multiple comorbidities who are waiting for treatment.

itsbetterthanabox · 29/12/2016 05:36

Looking into it more now and is there any reason why a bypass is better than sleeve?
It looks like the sleeve achieves similar weight loss with less risk and less side effects.

Magpiemagpie · 29/12/2016 08:40

OP to anwser your question which no one seems to have done yes I did have a Gastric Sleave for way under £8000
I went abroad and payed under £3000 well £3700 including my flight
It's been life changing , I am so much more confident happier and over the moon with the results
My BMI was 33 it's now 22 I'm the fittest and healthiest I have ever been in my life since having this operation

I struggled with my weight for many years and I wasn't even that much over weight maybe 4 stone or so but I have lost the excess weight that was making my life miserable I haven't had any loose skin as I wasn't that much overweight but loose skin is a problem for the very overweight
But if you have £8000 you could get surgury and body contouring surgury for that amount .

If you PM me I am happy to send you a copy of my medical notes and details of where I had it done even chat on the phone if you like
The surgeon was fabulous and the after care was amazing I'm happy to send you before and after pictures as well

Not going to say it on here where I went as I'm sure I will get flamed but it was 100 percent r worth it but myself and I know of 5 others who all had it done in the same place and we have all had amazing results

You can go to your doctor tell them what you are going to to & get a health check for your weight BMI any additional problems. and then contact the hospital co ordinator direct to get more info that's what I did .

Ignore all those that say exercise and eat healthy. It works for some and not for others but if it's making you miserable then it's your choice

KissingAFool · 29/12/2016 09:28

Marilyn, Wan is right, it makes no sense to chop bits off your body if the underlying mechanism is psychological, something which I think is universally accepted. Therapy should be the key, not intrusive surgery. I imagine from those who are utterly overwhelmed and fedup, surgery is very attractive, but it's drastic. Never mind the risk of: complications , malnourishment etc.

MirabelleTree · 29/12/2016 09:56

I have no comment on the surgery as am much to scared of going under anaesthesic to contemplate a GB, though am trying to lose weight for surgery that I need which I'm crapping myself about as it is as a complete wuss.

Whilst you are deciding what to do/organising it, if you would like to talk to others who have a lot to lose, a recent thread has started. Please feel free to drop in.

MavisTheTwinklyToreador · 29/12/2016 09:58

The sleeve might be a good option. It's got less chance of leaving you malnourished. But also associated with a bit less weight loss.