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Argument with Family

78 replies

Altogethernow · 22/12/2016 14:28

Nc'd for this one and feel free to flame away if I deserve it.

My dh and I are relatively well off. This is due in part to us both having reasonably well paid jobs, but mostly due to dh inheriting a large amount from relatives. Because of this we have a very low mortgage and buy ourselves (probably too much) stuff that we enjoy but don't really need.

Recently I agreed that my dh could spend a not inconsiderable amount on a new car, and we would remortgage to cover this cost plus having a new garage built (since our old one was pretty much falling down). It was all sorted out, but we discovered we needing a bridging loan for a couple of weeks to cover the garage being built. We were fully prepared to do this through the bank, but I spoke about it to my mum and she said she had the funds and was willing to loan it to us.

Anyway, everything goes fine to begin with. Work starts on the building, the car is purchased and all the money comes through so I tell my mum to give me her bank details so I can pay her back. She doesn't do this even after a couple of requests, and the next time I speak to her she tells me she doesn't need it and to keep it for a bit incase we need it for anything else.

Then the builder tells us our house is subsiding and should really be fixed. Me and dh discuss how we can afford for this, including claiming on insurance, reselling the car etc. At this point I have another chat with mum asking if she is really sure she doesn't need the money back, and if we could pay it back in large monthly instalments instead. She says she is more than happy to do this.

So cue yesterday, I visit her and she totally flips at me. My mum is not very well off. She has a low paid job, but has very large savings. She goes mental saying that she didn't know dh was buying a car (which she did, we both told her and he showed her pictures of it) and that she never has nice stuff so how dare we ask her to help effectively buy this for him and she wants her money back right now. she kicked me out and I left in tears.

It all escalated from there, my dh had a go at her for shouting at me as he thought it was unfair. My brother then got involved and proceeded to tell me I had been hugely out of order for even asking my mum to help out.

So that's my question. Was I awful to ask my mum for the original loan? Was I even more unreasonable to accept her offer to keep the money, which she made before we even knew we would need it.

Thanks if you made it this far btw, and I know money is always a difficult issue. We have never asked for financial help before, and never plan on doing so again now.

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FloralBarbourCoat · 22/12/2016 14:51

Do you have her bank details OP or could you get them? Send it back without her knowing.

RandomMess · 22/12/2016 14:52

I think your Mum is being unreasonable, she effectively gifted you the money in the form of a loan and is now throwing her toys out the pram...

Does she have form for this sort of behaviour or is it very out of character?

AnInfiniteOceanOfLight · 22/12/2016 14:53

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DillDongMerrilyOnHigh · 22/12/2016 14:53

Why would you choose to pay to rectify the subsidence yourself rather than claim on the insurance?

alltouchedout · 22/12/2016 14:53

Of course yabu. If the car has been bought, sell it. If it's not been bought yet, don't buy it at all. Repay your mother.

Berthatydfil · 22/12/2016 14:54

Who in their right mind remortgages to buy a car? Extension or home improvements yes but car - if he likes expensive cars then he should be saving for it.
You are both bvu not to have savings for rainy day emergencies like the house repair.

Sorry op you only have to read threads on here about people who loan friends/family members money and then see them having holidays /expensive beauty treatments/new furniture/ new cars and then feeling resentful that their hard earned savings were funding other people's extravagant lifestyles.
Perhaps she was content to loan you the money originally but perhaps she's had a change of heart, or has done unexpected expenses she can't cover. Your dh wading in hasn't helped as she probably feels it's his car she's effectively paid for - which she has.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 22/12/2016 14:54

But if he can't get the car without re-mortgaging, and the inheritance, then it he is not able to afford it, and working hard is not funding him for it either.

AyeAmarok · 22/12/2016 14:56

Why didn't you just finance the car?

Borrowing money from relatives for a car when you have no savings is madness.

Altogethernow · 22/12/2016 15:00

The inheritance all went straight onto the mortgage, which still has a 50% value ratio on it even with the remortgage. I guess we overpay on this instead of saving.

And the reason we didn't claim on the insurance is because I work in insurance and am well aware that if you even utter the word subsidence you become the great uninsurable and get charged extortionate premiums from then on. We would have done it though had we not had the offer.

I'm not trying to defend myself, just answer your questions from my pov

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MikeUniformMike · 22/12/2016 15:01

Did you get a structural engineer to look at the subsidence? I'd be a bit wary of taking a builder's word without a second opinion.
Money and families don't mix. Pay your mum back asap.

Altogethernow · 22/12/2016 15:02

I would just pay her back but I don't have her account details. I have been trying to get them.

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Lorelei76 · 22/12/2016 15:03

I'm confused

did you remortgage the house for a better deal i.e. to pay less interest? I understand doing that but if you were remortgaging in order to reallocate funds for the car, that's crazy.....

more importantly, could that be an area of misunderstanding with your mum? If she thought you were remortgaging to get a better deal that might be why she agreed to loan you money?

btw you have got to start saving, this is crazy. Also the insurance will pay for subsidence.

user1470997562 · 22/12/2016 15:04

On the whole I don't think you should have borrowed money from her if you have access to credit.

But I really suspect the backtracking is about your db putting his oar in. Why are you lending them money, you've got nothing, they've got loads (why haven't you lent me any money). They don't even need it.

Lorelei76 · 22/12/2016 15:04

oh cross post re insurance
my parents' old house had subsidence twice but still worked out to be better to claim on insurance and pay higher amounts than just pay out yourself.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/12/2016 15:04

Op said she and dh are overpaying their mortgage so they are effectively saving money. Just in a different way. Under those circumstances, what is the issue with remortgaging and drawing these funds off to buy a car? They've probably saved thousands in interest payments. Seems sensible to me.

Your mother sounds unreasonable and it may have been for your brother's benefit. Either get her bank details or consider withdrawing the cash and drop it round to her - in front of your brother if possible.

Anyway, lesson learnt. No more family loans.

BlueKarou · 22/12/2016 15:05

What a mess. Sorry you're having such a stressful time of things.

What you spend your money on and how you finance your lifestyle is totally down to your own choice. Until family borrowing gets involved and then it gets messy. I refused a loan from my mum to cover my loss of earnings during maternity leave in favour of a more expensive loan from the bank just so I could feel free to use the money how I saw fit.

Pay off your mum as quickly as you can (you should ave her bank details from when she leant you the money - transfer it into her account and then let her know you've paid some/all of it back with a thank you) and don't accept family loans in the future. Hopefully things will settle down and you can have a rational discussion with her. Apologise for your part in the misunderstanding (even if you believe you made things clear) and then let the subject drop. Yes, it wasn't on for her to react as she did, but as you're the ones who have benefitted from this whole situation (subsidence aside) you need to be the ones to make the move to calm things down.

Can you reduce your mortgage payments - stop the overpaying - to raise the money for the subsidence issue?

BlueKarou · 22/12/2016 15:05

Sorry, x post on the account details bit.

Gazelda · 22/12/2016 15:07

You shouldn't have taken the loan from her. Surely you could have delayed the car purchase/garage build?
You seem to be living beyond your means. If you can't purchase a car without remortgaging or a bridging loan then you are spending foolishly.
Your DH was wrong to argue with your DM. Perhaps she had misunderstood what the money was originally for, but some clarity and an apology and immediate return of the money would have nipped the situation in the bud.
Why aren't you claiming for the subsidence on your insurance?
If your DB borrowed money from your DM and then bought a brand new fancy car, wouldn't you intervene and say he had taken advantage of DM.
Sorry OP, your DM might have misunderstood, but the remainder is you and your DHs responsibility. I would be ashamed to borrow money to but a fancy car.

Kittenrush · 22/12/2016 15:09

Though I would never spend money in the same way I don't think that's the issue here really. Your mum offered and gifted you the money. If she was upset when she found out you were getting a car she could have just pointed it out and told you she had changed mind and wanted her money back. No need for the explosion IMO.
And if DM and DH are close then maybe he did message her and tell her she was out of line. Possibly not helpful but if he was angry and you were upset then understandable really.
I'm with you here, not clever but you didn't deserve the backlash

Fairenuff · 22/12/2016 15:10

Even right now I am trying to give it back to her but she won't take it.

Why won't she take it? I don't understand Confused

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 22/12/2016 15:10

My mum is not very well off

come on OP, you are well off,. and your mum is not, yet you borrowed money for a trivial luxury

so BU! pay her back and hope this passes but I really think you owe an apology and your DH should STFU shouting at her and getting involved

I think if you love each other, this should pass - upsetting for you both

WinterIsHereJon · 22/12/2016 15:11

What on earth kind of car is worth remortgaging for??

badvocaattasteflump · 22/12/2016 15:13

Well she offered so it does seem a bit OTT for her to freak out the way she did.

But aside from that, I think it's nuts to remortgage for a car. And IMO if you 'can afford' something, it means you can pay for it with your own cash.

AnInfiniteOceanOfLight · 22/12/2016 15:13

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happychristmasbum · 22/12/2016 15:13

All this hand wringing about not having her bank details is a bit ridiculous. Just tell her if she won't give you the bank details you will post the cash through her letter box and she will then have the problem of re banking it securely. That will change her mind.

Or ask DB for the account details? Or use the account details she had to pay you?