To think Lena Dunham needs to sssssh and go away? (She wishes she had had an abortion)

[DoYouRememberJustinBobby]

This woman, honestly. If it isn't enough she produced the most self indulgent show to ever grace televisions screens, in the form of Girls and is constantly picked out as some kind of agreed spokesperson for feminism now she has gone and been an offensive gravy filled arse clanger all over again.

On her recent podcast she has said she has never had an abortion but wished she had.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/celebrity/lena-dunham-i-still-havent-had-an-abortion-but-i-wish-i-had-195115943.html

Is this a case of not knowing how to get her point across (seemingly in everything she has ever done or said) or does she truly think the things she says are intelligent, observant or even vaguely decent for human conversation?

Actually I suppose I am being unreasonable for having any interest in anything this woman had to say but the rage has over taken me.

She is a disgusting human. I wish she wasn't given so much media publicity.

Yorkies the question you posed: yeah, I would judge the woman who got pregnant to know what an abortion is like (but not the woman who had 8 through "carelessness") because who who does that? I've been pregnant twice, I've terminated once. I know that many other women are happy to be pro-choice without ever having a termination (or even a pregnancy) themselves but if any of them got pregnant just to terminate then I'd find it very hard to align myself with them. I'm struggling to articulate why right now but I'll come back when it isn't the middle of the night and try again!

It was a fucking stupid thing to say. It's funny though (not haha funny) I kind of get it. I've been pro choice since passing my days of being an ignorant young teenager. I was of the view point that I was pro choice, which I was, but had still decided it wasn't something I could do. Not for me to judge. Then I found myself having an abortion and I have a whole new perspective. Yes her comment was incredibly ignorant but not beyond the fact you can't fully understand a situation until you've been through it.

Yes her comment was incredibly ignorant but not beyond the fact you can't fully understand a situation until you've been through it

Then avoid making comments on things that you can't relate to.

Well, perhaps anglelakardashian, but I imagine mumsnet would be pretty dead if no one did that?

Definitely Eevee. There'd be far less bunfights, that's for sure!

Indeed!

MeetMeAtMidnight sums it up I think at 01:08

The Kevin Williamson article linked to above is extremely illuminating.

Having never heard of the woman just googled the sister bit and it's clearly a pathetic attempt to shock and self publicise. Also tedious in the extreme. What a complete bore she is and how very immature.

She's an immature attention grubber, not a descriptor Id use often (anyone remember previous thread?!) but a vile, toxic, fame hungry disgrace for a 'feminist'.

She has apologised, btw.

Wasn't it her onscreen boyf who said to her Girls character "you think because you're 11 pounds overweight, you know struggle"?

Attention seeking and stupid.
I've never had the misfortune to view the show she is in, but will continue to avoid it at costs.

At all costs :)

Crappily put, but I think this part is really what her point was about:

'I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department.'

She may be pro-choice but she had still internalised the stigma around it and thought it important to stress that she hadn't had an abortion.

But yeah, the execution actually takes away from what is a very good point IMO.

Crappily put, but I think this part is really what her point was about:

'I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department.'

She may be pro-choice but she had still internalised the stigma around it and thought it important to stress that she hadn't had an abortion.

But yeah, the execution actually takes away from what is a very good point IMO.

Wow

Lena about her sister

Yeah, it was clumsily put and a stupid thing to say - but if you listen to the full podcast, she has made a thoughtful, empathetic and insightful hour of discussion about a difficult subject. It's a shame (although very predictable in 2016!) that this one soundbite has become the story.

Lena Dunham puts herself out there, takes on thorny topics and does it all as an IMPERFECT HUMAN - so yep, sometimes she puts her foot in it or words something very poorly. She then gets beaten around the head for it. But she still keeps going out there and trying - often admitting her mistakes and saying openly that she's still learning. She is insanely privileged, but acknowledges this - in fact much of the humour in Girls is derived from taking the piss out of this.

She doesn't get it right all the time, but I think she is generally a Good Thing. So yes you are being unreasonable for saying that she needs to Shh and Go Away. There were so many interesting things worth talking about in that podcast - so you are also BU for starting a thread personality-bashing instead of engaging with the more interesting and urgent questions raised in the podcast.

The thing is having seen people like this time and time again. Whilst they go around trying to shock and be cutting edge eventually money and breeding will out and 10 years from now she will either be married to a very nice equally monied guy living in a huge fancy house with a couple of children doing charity work. Or living in a fancy apartment trying to hang onto a youth that has passed and doing more and more bizarre interviews.

Whilst I get the impression that She would have preferred to have been brought up in a poor household she is never going to marry a minimum wage bf and live on the breadline no matter what she thinks she wants.

Its a shame I LOVE girls but remembering its made by this douche ruins it slightly.... *selfish ....what a crass thing to say

Oliversmumsarmy - "Money and breeding will out" - Are you for real? Or trapped in an episode of Downton Abbey, perhaps? With several seasons of a hit show and a very successful book behind her, I suspect she can buy a "huge fancy house" all by herself. Who she does or does not marry is irrelevant. What an odd comment.

I like Lena Dunham, Girls really reminded me of that very awkward period post-Uni when you're trying to make your way in the world and things aren't working out as you imagined. It seemed very authentic to me.

Re: the abortion comment, I remember in one of the first series of Girls, Lena/Hannah goes to the book launch of a frenemy and finds out this woman, a contemporary from university, has been able to write a memoir based on her boyfriend's suicide and Hannah is overcome with resentment that she hasn't had a relationship that ended in suicide. I wonder if the abortion remark was said with some similar kind of send up of massive insensitivity/entitlement?

And re:Girls, Lena did introduce us all to the (weirdly) gorgeous Adam Driver, which means I can't ever get really cross with her...

Olivermums, what a peculiar comment! What a snobby way to dismiss a leading writer, producer and actress.

I like her. She stuffs up. A lot. I still think she's great.

I genuinely think she has a personality disorder

I think this is unfair to people with Personality Disorders.

She's just a twat.