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To still be thinking about my 3 year old's psychotic episodes last year?

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Lasagneforbreakfast · 16/12/2016 09:53

This is a long post but I hope everyone that reads it will be more aware of this horrible horrible illness and the warning signs. It can happen to anyone for no reason at all.

Last year my perfectly healthy 3 year old daughter suddenly came down with a mystery illness. She first started having unexplained seizures (some of you may remember I posted and AIBU about DH and I arguing on wether to give her medication for her "epilepsy". He wanted natural, I wanted whatever I could give her to make her better). After posting this, her symptoms quickly escalated from small quick seizures to ones that lasted for hours on end which couldn't even be stopped by a team of doctors in A&E. When finally awake she began having constant movements of her hand even while awake... it was like her hand had a life of its own. Her seizures became so bad that she had to be completely sedated and put on life support. When she woke she seemed ok but started having violent episodes where she was hitting, biting and scratching the nurses and screaming as soon as they came into the room. This alone was astonishing to us as she had always been an amazingly calm, well behaved little girl... so much I would get comments on how well behaved and smart she was while we were out.
After only a few days she became so ill she was having these "episodes" of rage continuously throughout the day and night with only 5-20mins breaks between them. She was even doing it to me and her dad and gradually lost recognition of us. She would look into the air instead of our eyes and seemed to have become locked into her own world. She no longer recognised us and spent her days and nights having the violent episodes or screaming, scared, cowering into a corner as if something was trying to get her. She would point into the air in different directions and either laugh or cry. By this time her speech had completely gone and she was not saying any words.
I remember the day I realised she could no longer understand me or follow any commands.. I was trying to give her a bath in the hospital and Was helping her take off her clothes. I told her to lift her leg up so I could take off her trousers and she just stared at me blankly. I tried several times with no response. She just looked at around the room confused as if I wasn't even there. I remember holding her in my arms and crying to the nurses that my baby couldn't understand me, that she didn't even recognise me any more.
After this her episodes got worse and by now she was self harming, biting herself all over her body and making her lips bleed. She was no longer able to get off her bed and couldn't walk or even stand up. We had to put her in nappies and she wouldn't take any food. All lines that were inserted she would rip out and the nasal tubes that were forced into her she would pull out as soon as she had and episode. She became so thin within a few weeks that she no longer looked like herself, rather like an abused, neglected and starved shell of a child. She didn't sleep at night and DH and I would take turns sleeping so we could watch her through the night. When you think of not sleeping at night, you might think she slept a few hours here and there but it was literally NO SLEEP. No 5 minute naps, NOTHING. I still can't get my head around how any human body can go through that.
No matter what medicines were given it's like nothing worked and we were bracing ourselves for her to eventually fade away.

We finally got her blood results back on the 24th December and she was diagnosed with a disease called Anti NMDA receptor encephalitis. A rare disease which can hit anyone at any time for no apparent reason. Sometimes it can be a tumor that causes the disease to kick off but sometimes the cause is never known. She was rushed to intensive care for treatment and was there for 15days.

Once awake she continued being the same but as if by a miracle she did start making tiny improvements. Every few days something would get slightly better until after 2 weeks she was only having a few episodes a day and she was able to look at us. She started walking very slowly for a few metres and she started taking soft food. She still couldn't talk but we were overjoyed at what she was able to do. We were encouraged by the doctors to take her out of the hospital for a bit to get some fresh air.. We had to take her in a speacial pushchair used for severely disabled children. I remember the looks of pity or people just plain staring at us while we walked down the road with her. I had never thought I would be in that situation in my life. I remembered the days I used to look at parents with sadness while they pushed their disabled child and I had my chubby little girl full of life skipping happily alongside me, chatting away with me and asking me a 101 questions. I wondered if I would ever be able to just see her walk normally or talk again.

Eventually she was well enough to come home. She continued getting better and on the day we came home she said "mummy, daddy" and "bus". It's been a year now and after many ups and downs she is talking almost to the same level as when she was healthy. She runs around and seems to have more energy than ever. She has some behavioural problems and is very impulsive and fidgety but anyone looking at her would never think she's been sick.

I still think so much about that time, especially now since it's been exactly a year. I lay awake at night and remember so many details and can stay there for hours reliving those days. I cry so much when I remember everything... I feel so guilty and weak having these thoughts and so much sadness seeing as she's doing so amazingly well. I've been told by everyone I speak to that I should be happy and concentrate on how she is now and be grateful that she's not worse. Which makes sense... but I don't know how to forget. I hate myself for not just being able to be happy and accept that the way she is is a million times better than how she was. I feel guilty for being sad or angry or stressed when she has tantrums out in the street and rolls around on the floor screaming and crying, when she hits or bites her siblings or me.. this is what "normal" 4 year olds do isn't it? That's what everyone says to me but I know what my little girl was like before.

Sorry for the mammoth post... I wanted to firstly get her illness out there so if anyone was ever in this situation maybe they could get diagnosed faster and also your views on how I'm feeling now a year on. Is this normal? Am I being silly?

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PeteSwotatoes · 16/12/2016 11:21

OP, you write in such a powerful way. It was like I was there with you. It sounds like this has traumatised you, understandably. Maybe you could find a therapist who treats PTSD?

maras2 · 16/12/2016 11:29

My daughter was knocked over when she was 10(she's now 40) She sustained life threatening injuries and was hospitalised for 6 months.I coped quite well during this time but 18 or so months later I just went to pieces with what I now know to be PTSD.There was no name for it then.Fortunately the OH dept where I worked as a nurse was on the ball and I received excellent counselling and CBT.I couldn't have coped without it.
Please take whatever form of help offered to you or ask at your GP's or OH dept at work.It took a while but thank God for the help given me.
Oh and DD is fine with no lasting effects bar a slight limp.I hope that your little one continues to improve.

dailymaillazyjournos · 16/12/2016 11:38

I can only imagine how utterly petrifying that must have been. Please talk to your gp. I didn't realise I had PTSD till years after the dreadful thing I witnessed and the images and scenes would just flash into my mind for years and years afterwards. It's nearly 11 years now and certain things will still trigger it but nowhere near as vividly as before. Because it seems this distress can go on for a long time it is really advisable to get help. It's a totally normal reaction after all you have experienced. It's so good to hear that your dd has made such good progress but awful that you are suffering the after effects from the worst times.

Lasagneforbreakfast · 16/12/2016 11:50

Hi all.
Wow, thank you so much for your kind, amazing words of reassurance and advice.
Yes, I have looked into PTSD and I've thought that's what I've been going through since a few moths after she was home. I just keep thinking that I can deal with it and it will get better. Only now do I realise that it's been a year and it hasn't got any easier whatsoever and of course the fact that's it's a year to date has heightened everything.
Thanks to those that remember the post I did about her medication for epilepsy... I asked mumsnet to delete it while I was in hospital with her and I really thought I was going to lose her. I felt guilty having written stuff about how unhappy DH had made me when we were both going through the worst time of our lives.

I'm scared. I dont know what's holding me back from seeking help from GP or hospital.

I will be looking online at info from headway tonight too.

My kids seemed very upset by things in the months following her illness but now seem absolutely fine. One of them in particular was very upset and has changed a lot. She's become more "grown up and helpful" she really tries with my little one now and that brings me to tears too sometimes, to see how they've had to grow up this past year.

DH doesn't really talk about it too much. His main thing is saying he's so happy she's doing so amazingly well. He seems to be doing very well.

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PacificDogwod · 16/12/2016 12:03

Don't be scared seeing your GP - please!
Do you like your GP?
What are you scared about?
Please don't be - while your specific circumstances are of course individual to you, many many people respond as you are doing to traumatic events in their lives. You are not alone in this. At all. And not unusual - in many ways what you are going through is quite 'normal'.

Please seek help.
Thanks

Btw, I remember your original thread too, and how odd it all sounded, not at all like 'normal' epilepsy, so I am actually v interested to hear that your DD was unlucky enough to come down with something as rare as hen's teeth - poor her, and poor all of you.

It is common for traumatic events only to catch up with people when the immediate crisis has passed. Simply because she is now out of danger, you are able to feel what you feel. Seek help.

Excited101 · 16/12/2016 12:08

I didn't want to read and run op, but I don't have much to add apart from Flowers I can't imagine how traumatic this has been for you, do go and access some talking therapy, and write everything down- all your feelings etc.

PollytheDolly · 16/12/2016 12:15

Oh Lasagne that must have been horrific. I'm so sorry you've all had to go through that.

Completely understandable how you a feeling right now. You've fought a long and hard battle and now you've come out the other side, it's catching up with you.

I would definitely get some counselling to help you through this next stage. Does sound like PTSD to me.

Wishing you all the best and thank goodness your little girl is on the mend Flowers

DorotheaHomeAlone · 16/12/2016 12:21

Lasagne I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family. It sounds terrifying. I have a small dd and welled up just reading this so it's no surprise you're ruminating in the details. It sounds like you were very strong at the time and focused on caring for others. Your dd is getting better now and the best thing you can do for her and your family is to take some time to care for yourself. You deserve that. Flowers I'm so glad she came through it.

Lasagneforbreakfast · 16/12/2016 12:33

Thank you again everyone for your well wishes Flowers
I don't know what I'm scared about. I think maybe just having to open that whole chapter again... having to actually deal with the feelings and the trauma again. It's so weird because I feel like I really want to tell everyone about what happened to her (the symptoms of her illness and all the medical facts) but at the same time I don't want to talk about how I felt and how my heart felt like it was breaking in pieces at the time.... thinking about that feeling again makes me feel unwell.

I really hope my posts helps anyone that might be unfortunate enough to come into contact with this horrible disease.
If anyone is interested there is a movie out about her illness (I haven't watched it yet as I can't find anywhere that is showing it).
It's about an American reporter who had the same thing. It's called brain on fire.
It's shocking to think that something like this is so unknown about and could happen to anyone. When I last spoke to the doctors they said although it was a very rare disease, there had been an increase in the illness especially around winter time. However not many doctors are familiar with it and when a person goes in with the symptoms it is classed as a mental illness at first. People are put into psychiatric wards and given anti psychotics which make the illness worse. The thing with this illness is it needs to be treated early as possible as it increases the likelihood of a better outcome.

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vichill · 16/12/2016 12:39

I am sitting here sobbing after reading that. I am so so glad she is getting better. My daughter was in NICU for a week when she was born. It was just exploratory and she was just fine but I still have panic attacks about hearing her scream with hunger in an incubator and not being able to hold or feed her. What you describe is worse and the stuff of nightmares. You have done well to cope as well as you have. I would definitely seek counselling and all the very best for the future.Flowers

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 16/12/2016 12:46

Looks like it was only released in Canada (so far?) Lasagne

Interesting reading about it - the film is based on a book of the same name - might be good to read that! Sounds like the disease has only been recognised and named in the last 7 years, but seems to be on the rise - although whether that's just because now more doctors are learning about it and recognising that it's not a mental illness is hard to say.

I'm very grateful to you for highlighting the condition though - not one I'd ever heard of before and it does indeed sound very scary, so while I hope I never come across it in anyone I know, at least I have the background on it now. (Not a doc but worked in the NHS for 10 years)

dynevoran · 16/12/2016 12:54

I would really recommend seeing a psychotherapist and having a treatment called EMDR. It's highly effective for PTSD and whilst hard will be worth it. Your brain is reliving it all again and again as it hasn't been processed and filed away. This treatment allows your brain to file things away so you don't constantly revisit them.

ispymincepie · 16/12/2016 12:55

That is fucking terrifying Shock
It's no wonder you're struggling with this. I hope you can get some help to move forward Flowers

Babyblade · 16/12/2016 13:00

All I can add is Flowers

Don't feel guilty Sad - please find help.

Theladyloriana · 16/12/2016 13:21

Thank you for sharing.

I am so so sorry you and your family have been through this. You all sound incredible.

I would also say ptsd. I have been treated for trauma and it was incredibly effective, the clinical psychologist used EMDR. Have a Google, it's well evidence based.

Wishing you and your family all the best. I will raise a glass to your incredible daughter on Christmas day Flowers

Cornettoninja · 16/12/2016 13:34

Christ that sounds horrific Sad

I'm so happy to hear that your DD is going from strength to strength. Any trauma like your family experienced is going to take a lot of time for you all to heal from so do seek support and help from where ever you can. I think a GP visit and letter to the consultant who dealt with your DD is a good idea as a starting point. Given its rarity I would be surprised if the dr leading your daughters care didn't remember her. It might involve a wait for a reply though.

You've certainly raised my awareness

I truly hope you and your family have a lovely Christmas FlowersStarChocolate

Morphene · 16/12/2016 13:56

OP The combination of wanting to relay the facts of your experience and being terrified to relive or re-experience the feelings is very common in cases of PTSD or post traumatic depression.

You had to bury your feelings at the time in order to survive, and you have gotten used to pushing them away because you don't feel strong enough to deal with it. That constant pushing away has built up in your mind the idea that these thoughts are dangerous and frightening. It has built that fear up far in excess of the real danger that exists in confronting them. It is almost like developing a phobia by constant negative reinforcement.

The constant desire to recount the facts is actually your brain reacting to your refusal to acknowledge the feelings.

You brain really needs to process those feelings, needs to file them away instead of having them buzzing around causing chaos.

If you possibly can, then I would recommend hooking up with a counsellor with experience of delayed onset PTSD and depression and making yourself a safe space to unpack those memories.

Honestly it will not be as bad as you fear, (although at times it certainly can feel pretty painful) and on the other side of the process you will find some healing.

You certainly deserve to be healed, to be whole again.

Flowers
Lasagneforbreakfast · 16/12/2016 14:01

I'm reading every single one of your replies.
I feel so much better already and you all are making me cry from the amazing response to this.
I'm feeling stronger to get this sorted. It will be such a huge weight off my chest Sad

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Lasagneforbreakfast · 16/12/2016 14:31

Also an update for those of you that read my post last year and to clarify to those that didn't;
We thought she had epilepsy when this all started because of the frequent seizures. During this time there was a huge divide between DH and I as to what was the best course of treatment for her. He wanted natural and alternative medicines and I was scared and wanted to give her whatever the doctors were suggesting.
After I wrote the post asking for opinions on how to handle the situation she got worse and was taken into hospital. While she was on PICU I asked mumsnet to remove the post.
It was a difficult time but as soon as she was admitted into hospital we both were on exactly the same page and went full force with whatever was available to ease her symptoms. We just wanted her better, no questions asked. DH has eased up and we are still giving her all the medicine requested by the specialists.

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identityhidden · 16/12/2016 21:17

I think seizures are a totally normal part of encephalitis. All the people I've cared for are adults - they say sometimes you can get it from ovarian tumours, but I've had young girls aged 19 and men aged 60+ so it seems quite random. It is very scary , there's no reasoning with the person at all - it's the only illness I've encountered that physically scares me as the change in the person is so sudden and so dramatic.

People do get better though like your little one has already and will continue to do so.

I hope you're OK tonight , sending you and your family lots of love xx

AnnieAnoniMouse · 17/12/2016 20:29

I'm pleased you feel a bit more comfortable about getting some help. It's a HUGE thing you've been through & are still going through. Having someone to talk to, even thought that sounds scary right now, really will help and there are some great treatments out there to help you 💐

HaveNoSocks · 17/12/2016 20:39
Flowers

I'm glad you're considering talking to a counsellor, preferably one with expertise in this area. You've been through an incredibly traumatic, life changing event and almost anyone would need professional help to get past it.

I would try your best to ignore the well meaning advice to "just be happy she's better than she was". They can't possibly understand what you've been through. You might as well tell someone returning from a war zone to be happy they're not there any more. It's just not that simple.

Lasagneforbreakfast · 18/12/2016 10:37

Thank you. Your thoughts and kind words have been a real comfort. It's like someone shaking me and saying it's ok to be sad!
Reading all of your experiences has made me feel less guilty. I would not expect anyone that went through the sort of situations shared on here to be ok afterwards so it has made me put my own feelings into perspective.

I'm thinking of going back to the hospital that treated her to see the staff and thank them for the absolutely amazing job they did with us while we were there.
Honestly, words cannot describe how well we were treated by everyone. I hear people constantly saying things about the NHS services and staff etc (and I have been to a fair share of hospitals now and have had some horrible experiences) but we were so fortunate to end up where we did. We did have the opportunity for someone to pay for care and treatment at a private hospital for us but the doctors and staff were so on the ball and sympathetic and helpful that we didn't see the need to move. They were a credit to the system. It makes me well up to remember them. Even the small things like making sure DH and I had remembered to eat or bringing us cups of tea made a difference. I remember the therapists going in to see her after her treatment started and them wrapping her up and cuddling her like a baby in a sling, singing lullabies to her and trying to soothe her when she was having her episodes. Talking to her as if she was their own child. I could see the genuine human compassion and professionalism in so many staff at that hospital.

I wish I could repay them even a small percentage of how they helped us. I don't want to go empty handed but at the same time a box of chocolates or flowers just doesn't seem enough. I do of course want to take my DD so hopefully we will see some of the staff that treated her and they can see the transformation in her, because when we left she was still at the stage of probably a 12 month old and severely malnourished looking.

Would anyone have any suggestions on something great I could take them?

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Lasagneforbreakfast · 18/12/2016 10:44

You might as well tell someone returning from a war zone to be happy they're not there any more. It's just not that simple.

Shock why didn't I put it into perspective like this? This has really made me think
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PacificDogwod · 18/12/2016 10:44

Oh, a box of chocolates/biscuits will go down really well, don't worry! Grin

You could liaise with the ward sister or head of department or whoever has any kind of say over the ward she spent the most time on and ask what might be useful to them? Donations towards expensive equipment is often appreciated, or an item for a parents' waiting room to make it more comfortable for future parents who find themselves in the very scary situation you were in?

I am certain that they would love to see how much your DD has come on - that will make their day, I am not kidding Smile

I am glad this thread has helped you a bit and has given you 'permission' to feel as you do. It is entirely normal to be grateful for how well your DD is doing while still having major heebie-jeebies about quite how bad things had been.
I hope you find some RL help and there will come a time when this will be less on the forefront of your mind even if you do of course never forget it.