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AIBU?

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AIBU - Teachers

191 replies

LouBlue1507 · 14/12/2016 15:44

Hi everyone!

I am so fed up of reading all the teacher bashing threads lately! Most people have no idea the amount of word they have to do and the stress they are under! Angry

So please share positive stories/experiences of teachers!

Show the appreciation! Grin

OP posts:
neolara · 14/12/2016 22:26

I love my dcs' teachers.. They are kind, stimulating and fun. I'm hugely grateful that they make school such a positive experience for my dcs.

Cherrysoup · 14/12/2016 22:31

I love the children I teach. I had my heart melt when a little Year 7 got out of his seat to come up to me yesterday and I asked him why on earth he'd got up (I was circulating helping and correcting work, if he wanted me, he could have just asked) He hands me a packet of sweets and said 'It's because you're my favourite teacher and I want to give you these'. Just to die for. Moments like these make up for the sheer knackered end of term madness. So sweet!

MissDuke · 14/12/2016 22:34

That is it exactly, I think that it is time for a sabbatical away from this thread

Not just from this thread methinks!

DreamingofBrie · 14/12/2016 22:48

CherrySoup, what a lovely post! I changed schools this year, and still miss last year's students (probably more than they miss me Grin).

I think I will be one of those teachers who will not make it to five years of service - the rewards are not worth the negative effects on my health and relationships.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/12/2016 22:48

MissDuke

As you like.

MissDuke · 14/12/2016 23:02

I love the children I teach. I had my heart melt when a little Year 7 got out of his seat to come up to me yesterday and I asked him why on earth he'd got up (I was circulating helping and correcting work, if he wanted me, he could have just asked) He hands me a packet of sweets and said 'It's because you're my favourite teacher and I want to give you these'. Just to die for. Moments like these make up for the sheer knackered end of term madness. So sweet

Love this!!! My 4 year old dd spent ages yday collecting weeds flowers from our garden yesterday to give to her lovely teacher Smile

Xenadog · 14/12/2016 23:07

Teacher with almost 20 years experience here and before I trained I worked in retail Management which I fucking hated with a passion! It was soul destroying and miserable and very tiring but it was easy compared to teaching. At the end of my shift I clocked off and walked away which just never happens for me in teaching. However teaching is enjoyable, every day is different and I feel like I make a difference. Of course there are challenges and frustrations but when it's going well teaching is THE BEST job In the world!

I accept there will be some people who are just in the wrong profession and I wouldn't try to defend someone who isn't up to the job but there's so much teachers do behind the scene non-teachers just never see. Even those regarded as 'crap' teachers on the whole go out of their way to help out kids who need it - certainly in my experience at least.

So I would say some of the teachers I have worked with have been utterly inspirational, truly caring and heavily invested in their students' happiness and progress. It is also very easy to bash teachers as we've (nearly) all been to school so think we know how it should be. I have had this conversation with a high - up Tory and he didn't like my reply which was that although I use the NHS I don't think I'm a doctor!

Anyway I love teaching, I think it's a privilege to be in charge of people's most precious and belongings (their kids!) and I work bloody hard. Hearing all the time that I am in a profession who just moans and whinges and that there's so many crap teachers and we have too much holiday blah blah blah is a bit demoralising. Then I remember if these people slagging teachers really thought it was such an easy screw they'd be doing the job, wouldn't they?

pieceofpurplesky · 14/12/2016 23:30

Xenadog StarChocolateFlowersyou sum up how I feel too

MaybeAFool · 15/12/2016 06:51

I'm a teacher but on a full time contract as I work all year round through the holidays. I get 29 days annual leave, which I can only take during the school holidays.
In October half term, the car park was full every day and there were some teaching staff who were there more hours than I was. We finish on Friday this week, but most staff are coming in next week to work when it's quiet.
We've just had year 11, 12 and 13 mocks. The results are due to the students on 4th Jan. They all need marking, feedback being given and results analysed. Lessons also need planning around the results of the exams, which we won't receive from the data office until the 20th December. When we are "off."
In my experience, most teachers do work additional hours and days, that are unpaid. But most don't "moan" unless challenges or criticised that they should appreciate their amazing holidays and 9-3 hours. And thays because additionally to the above, we also get to engage in Carol concerts and school plays and band and choir sessions and students who stay behind of their own choice to do additional learning.
We get to make a difference, and see it when students have done well in those mocks. We get to help the ones who haven't. And we get to work with the next generation and see them progress from childhood to adulthood.
Some teachers are not as good as others. But the ones that I know, all work hard and all care. And many of them are pushed to breaking point and will ultimately step away from education unless the pressure, complaining and academisation changes soon.

Italiangreyhound · 15/12/2016 07:22

Xenadog what a brilliant and inspirational post.

Italiangreyhound · 15/12/2016 07:43

Possibly one of the reasons some people can come across as being anti teacher (for want of a better word) is that they themselves had a bad time at school or their child is experiencing school badly.

The school system is set up on such a way that it works quite well for some kids and badly for others and really badly or really well potentially for a few.

Some issues like dyslexia or bullying can be handled so badly by a school that they can have a very long eaching affect on children and families.

The other reason, potentially, for threads about school/teachers is that this is mumsnett. Although we are not all mums, or not even all parents, most of us are parents. The majority of threads I've seen are about being a parent or they if not, the poster will mention having kids. The one thing almost all kids have in common is that they go to school.

This thread is a good idea because we can share positive stories of good teachers and schools.

But teachers should not feel that because some parents are unhappy with some teachers some of the time that we parents don't appreciate all the good teaching that goes on.

As a society, I think, western society is geared towards bad news not good. Drama rather than calm is what we as a society find entertaining and engaging. So threads about drama will attract mistake posters, IMHO.

MissDuke · 15/12/2016 08:02

Do any teachers have any solutions? Would it be preferable to renegotiate the salary and have the same number of holidays as the rest of us, so that you get paid for working in the holidays?

amispartacus · 15/12/2016 09:20

Would it be preferable to renegotiate the salary and have the same number of holidays as the rest of us, so that you get paid for working in the holidays

I think if you worked it out, teachers probably get 6 -7 weeks 'off' per year when they aren't actually working. As in they are spending their free time not doing teaching stuff. You have working in the evening, working at weekends and working over holidays - but it probably balances out to a total working time equivalent to many professionals - and a salary to compensate.

It's just that the hours are somewhat compressed.

monkeymamma · 15/12/2016 09:28

i've said many times on here that I don't think teachers should be beyond criticism. My DS started school this September gone, it's been an interesting time.
However... his class teacher gave every child a present. I wanted to weep when I saw Ds's and realised the poor lady (on top of nativity/lunch/card sorting/party/mufti day/visit from santa/etc... and erm, actual teaching! Oh yes and dealing with children being sick on the carpet etc) had spent her own money and time wrapping 30 little notebooks and pens and sticking a sweetie to the wrapping paper. And writing a little note on each one. No one would do this job if they didn't love it, would they!

waitingforsomething · 15/12/2016 09:45

I wasn't going to comment until I saw 'special snowflake status that teachers and nurses give themself'

Really? Special snowflake? What a nasty and untrue thing to say.

Teachers and nurses have hard jobs, physically, emotionally and always having to defend themselves against governments who do not value them, media who slaughter them, and parents who think that teachers are responsible for everything.

SomewhatIdiosyncratic · 15/12/2016 10:21

Where people have posted about the actions of a teacher, there will often be comments from other teachers responding with balanced points. Occasionally the teacher might be an asshole, more likely a bad moment, often an unreasonable expectation from the child/ parents.

The problem with "teacher bashing" is that it's on so many levels. There is an agenda through the government /OFSTED that then gets fed through the media (Daily Fail and the like) that teachers aren't good enough. Even "satisfactory" which should suggest that the expected standards are being met was removed a few years back, with schools (and until recently) teachers being graded Outstanding, Good, Requires Improvement. The levels of scruitiny have become intolerable and counterproductive with teachers being scapegoated for issues beyond their control. Everything must be accounted for and analysed for back covering which takes time and energy away from the core business of teaching young people. Sadly many senior management teams I have encountered have been less than supportive. Academisation is a back door way of breaking down nationally agreed terms and conditions. Schools rarely offer permanent contracts to new staff, usually one year contracts. There is a constant threat of capability proceedings against anyone struggling with the pressure. For a minimum of 4 years university study, the salary isn't fantastic.

These problems certainly aren't exclusive to teaching. I haven't got substantial experience outside teaching, but the way the government has been dealing with junior doctor contracts is part of the same mentality.

DH is in the private sector doing something utterly different. He works long hours and isn't immune to bringing work home, but at least gets double the pay, and doesn't have the negative culture surrounding his occupation (although it's likely to attract the label of boring Grin)

What I'm saying is, that it's complicated. Teaching has changed. Some changes bring better outcomes, but there is too much baggage, complexity and rate of change. (Very rarely can a lesson be reused these days because each class has different needs and the curriculum changes constantly.) There is a depressing culture in our society over the last decade of squeezing out more and more on less and less resourcing, and that applies to teachers, the NHS, Sports Direct warehouse operatives etc.

Teaching, like many other occupations is tough. It tends to attract unfair criticism from people that don't see the leg work in the background. There is a minority of assholes, but most do a good job in challenging circumstances and get tired of constant negativity directed at them, particularly as many teachers went into the profession with idealistic values.

I'm not saying it's the hardest job (That's subjective; I couldn't deal with the emotional toll and shifts of policing for example), but by and large, it does deserve respect.

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