To be mildly irritated by most tiring job ever?

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A friend who is a teacher has been saying how exhausted she is, and that only other teachers would understand. She is not joking. AIBU to be mildly irritated by this? Yes teachers do a hard job, but there are other jobs that are also exhausting.

YABU
I imagine that job would be exhausting and I only did the training. Stop being grumpy. Let them be tired!

Mentally exhausting, may well be right. But the most exhausting jobs I've ever done are these two (in oz, in summer): working on a vineyard training new vines in mid 30s heat and higher (so you're bending down and getting up all. Day, and dodging spiders and snakes.).And working in a wool shed, whether as a shearer or a rouseabout (so,picking up and throwing fleeces (not letting them fall apart) all day, and general sweeping, etc - and you have to be very fast!

Well noble if you are interested in researching the standard deviation, get back to me with your findings. I'm certainly not going to be wasting one of my previous Saturday evenings doing this though.

whattheseithakasmean

You posted jobs that I took to mean that you thought that teachers have never done, This would be wrong.

As for teachers saying that they have the hardest job they haven't, it has been others saying that teachers do, it is misinformation and you are helping to spread it.

fruit I'm not the one making claims about teacher pay.

I haven't made any claims without evidence, it is you suggesting the evidence is not good enough so I have invited you to find further sources should you have the inclination, which i do not. I'm not that invested as this is my last weekend off work until the new year.

noblegiraffe

Fruit is apparently also allowed to moan and whine about her working hours.

pieceofpurplesky
Re friends, yes they do - and one of them a while ago said that he was having his first night in, in 6 months! Every night was dinner out, or sports or a band etc, with ok, the occasional parents evening - I know because I've had to turn down the vast majority of those things due to taking work home in the evenings.

My school btw, is the Headlands School. Bottom of national league tables in 2000 and 2006 (when the overall 5A-C rate was 9%), second bottom some other years. Put into special measures, closed down and reopened. When one teacher complained the school was letting pupils down, and threatened with disciplinary action, 100 pupils walked out in support of himand against standards in the school.

Once I even got threatened with a knife in front of teachers in the school. The teachers did nothing - literally not even a telling off for the guy, as I had to deal with it myself.

So when I say we weren't taught and allowed to watch blackadder, I'm being deadly serious. I really did have to teach myself.

I'm sure standards have improved, but aside from a couple of very good teachers, I saw no indication of hard work or planning.whist I expect that has improved now, those us with really bad experiences of teachers growing up probably need slightly more convincing.

My friends that are teachers do work hard, but not exceptionally so compared to many others in other jobs that I know.Like most jobs there are pros and cons.

Interestingly, non of the posters saying "teaching is difficult but actually X is the most tiring job" are getting leaped on for "whining"..

Max pay for a teacher with no additional responsibility is 33k. Does that mean all/most teachers do something else in addition to teaching?

I'm more than happy for nurses to be paid more and I think shifts need to be looked at. There's other things that can go before teachers and nurses have to argue about who deserves a slightly bigger sliver of an already barely adequate slice.

bluesky if your school got 9% then it's fairly safe to say that the teaching there wasn't even representative of teaching at the time, let alone now.

Boney I think it's completely normal to moan about working Christmas Day when you have a young child, regardless of your profession? I don't, however, moan about the amount of unpaid overtime I do, or my normal working pattern. Therein lies the difference.

I don't resent teachers at all. I don't begrudge them their salary, time off or pensions. They do a great job, for not much money or recognition.

Teachers, along with many other professionals are underpaid and undervalued, the reason why they are leaving teaching in droves.

I think what should be addressed is why teachers and nurses and other professions I.E . Childminders, daycare workers, are so undervalued and yet so heavily monitored. All the paperwork needed is out of control.

Doing reports, logs, OFSTED etc etc simply does not exist in other countries who have successful schools, hospitals etc.

We need to trust our teachers, nurses, daycare workers etc and let them get on with it. And obviously increase funding too.

I saw no indication of hard work or planning.whist I expect that has improved now, those us with really bad experiences of teachers growing up probably need slightly more convincing.

So your argument is that teachers now should prove they're better than what your perception of teachers when you were in school before they deserve respect.

I think we've nailed where the defensive attitude comes from.

Its weird though how 'tiring' works. I love stimulation so working in demanding iintellectual environments or say call cemtres or demanding creative jobs i feel energised in, but doing nothing jobs i end up completely drained. I have done ten day army exercises and been sleep deprived and night patrols sleeping in ditches and felt as though i was ok ish, but done filing amd shelf stackimg and been so exhausted and mentally drained i felt like killing myself.

I think teaching is exhausting because you are hacing to oroject understanding and emotional awareness onto others, manage pupils shifting motivations, and do paperwork and tedious stuff snd performing so you are never getting a chance to be you..which i find to be the mist psychologically draining thing.

But it is annoying when people think what you are doing isnt tiring because they have never done it.

I had a counsellor who was this kind of stupid. She would say I had loads of spare time..like you would to a swiched off machine, when i would be saying 'i am literally coming in from work, staying awake enough to eat then sleeping until the next shift.

Managers do this too..fail to plan in recovery of exhaustion time then wonder why targets are missed ..i sideways think those managers should be sacked ...

Teaching is badly organised , Admin support is poor and nearly non existent and government expectations are farmed out with poor consideration of the impact on teaching . Headteachers follow this trend of bad managememt rewarding bad management and we still have (social) class based recruitment into education management and policy. Its crazy.

I wpuld still prefer teaching to nightshifts in dull jobs though. You need to be ESN to do that and be happy , sadly

So blue please tell me what type of school your friends work in and what they teach. I have obviously been doing something wrong for 20 years.

I just don't believe you - not one of your teacher friends and family do work out of school and all go out most nights.

Oh and you said that you were at school 20 years ago so not sure why results from 2006 are relevant. Last year they got 55%.

I haven't seen one poster on hear moan about their job being harder than others - just that it is different type of exhausted. It is the others in hear that are stating that teachers main.

Here in my defence I am spaced on medicine!

And deleted original sentence that had hear correctly

FruitCider

Teachers on here don't moan about the extra unpaid over time, they/we regularly have to justify what they/we do.

And yes you are moaning in exactly the same way, if we are to go by MN rules because nurses are not the only people that have to work those days over Christmas etc.

A variety of schools, state, non state, city, rural, primary and secondary. I have a lot of teacher friends.

I was at school 20 years ago, finished about 15 years ago. I was there for us being bottom in 2000. 2006 is relevant in that it wasn't just a blip being that bad.

I'm glad now that they've knocked the school down, rebuilt it somewhere else, renamed it and got new teachers in, they have improved. It doesn't alter how utterlyterrible it used to be.

Teachers on here don't moan about the extra unpaid over time, they/we regularly have to justify what they/we do.

Are you kidding me?

FruitCider

You say moan, I say explain.

You say explain, I say moan.

Do you see how it works?

only teachers understand that kind of mental tiredness you get from being 100% alert and making a thousand tiny decisions a day

Yeah cos none of the rest of us have to do that in our jobs

Redglitter - I don't know what you do, but I have worked in an office. Office workers to not have the same level of mental strain.

I think, miners, nurses, welders, ship builders have more physically tiring jobs. Is this combined with the strain of constant mental alertness, I don't know.

I do know working in an office is a doddle compared with teaching.