to ask if we like this? (Baby it's cold outside: Consent version)

[LadyJaneMortificado]

edition.cnn.com/2016/12/02/us/baby-its-cold-outside-cover-trnd/

Original film performance here:

Original lyrics:

I really can't stay (but baby, it's cold outside)
I've got to go away (but baby, it's cold outside)

This evening has been (been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)

My mother will start to worry (beautiful what's your hurry?)
My father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)

So really I'd better scurry (beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)

The neighbors might think (baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)

I wish I knew how (your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (i'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)

I ought to say, no, no, no sir (mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (what's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)

I really can't stay (oh baby don't hold out)
But baby, it's cold outside

I simply must go (but baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is no (but baby, it's cold outside)

Your welcome has been (how lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (look out the window at this dawn)

My sister will be suspicious (gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (waves upon the tropical shore)

My maiden aunts mind is vicious (gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (never such a blizzard before)

I've gotta get home(but baby, you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a coat(it's up to your knees out there)

You've really been grand (I thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (how can you do this thing to me?)

There's bound to be talk tomorrow (think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (if you got pnuemonia and died)

I really can't stay (get over that old out)
Baby, it's cold
Baby, it's cold outside
Written by Frank Wildhorn, Frank N. Wildhorn • Copyright © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc

I'm not sure I share their interpretation of the original (which seems to me to be more about external pressure on women to appear chaste outside of marriage in the mid 20th century than about a woman withholding 'consent'), TBH.

I think it is by Frank Loesser (Jazz singer here, know lots of songs.) I've sung this one alone and as a duet - principally with my dad who wwas a great singer who knew masses of songs. We always reckoned that he wanted her to stay and she wanted to stay but they were trying to work out how to bring this off without anybody knowing!

Off topic a bit but Loesser wrote it in 1944. My mum would have me believe that no young woman during the war ever had sex (nice girls didn't). When I told that to dad he roared with laughter. He mentioned that members of Waaf and ATS were known as "officers groundsheets" which we both thought was a bit much even for then!

Just looked Frank Wildhorn up – he wasn't born until 1959, which rules him out. He's done some good stuff, by the look of it - will check him out.

The new consent" lyrics suck donkey dick. What a mishmash of current shibboleths together with the original elegant Forties witty language. Reminds me of curdled mayonnaise. People aren't fools – they could work it out from the original which had wit and subtlety.

The film version (link above) has the same thing in terms of man "persuading" woman to stay and woman "persuading" man to stay.

So that's why I was asking what people thought of it. I don't actually think this is a "borderline rape" song myself. I agree that it has strong overtones of maybe yeah but society says no.

Dad and I used to do last lines like this:

Baby it's cold, so-cold
( baby it's cold so cold )
In harmony – baby it's cold outside (i.e. they both want her to stay)

Borderline rape my big fat arse! It's been nice to reminisce a bit about my dad. He died in 1997 and sometimes it seems like yesterday , at other times it seems like a lifetime ago.

I think the Tom Jones and Cerys Matthews version (old man, breathy young woman) has influenced the interpretation...

I just remembered this little ditty by Flanders and Swann . Absolutely nothing borderline about this! ( but I still love them)

Also for parents who worry about swearing, the children probably know more than you think!

She wants to stay - she is just worried about what people might think. There is also no issue of consent since there is no sex. He is asking her to stay over.

Is the assumption that if she stayed she would be raped? Maybe if she decided not to brave the elements and go home she might sleep on the sofa undisturbed? Or even choose to have sex.

The issue is staying ad what people would think. If he was going to force her to have sex he could do that anyway.

(I did similar when I started going out with my boss - "I can't you know what they'd all say!" And we made other arrangements!)

The other lyrics are dreadful!

"I've always had a big problem with the song. It's so aggressive and inappropriate," said Lemanski, 25.

So this came about because the new version writers aren't intelligent enough to understand the original?

Their lyrics support that assumption. Dreadful.

You nailed it is, badknee! The other "lyric" is nothing more than bowdlerisation. A more recent song that I absolutely hate is Rod Stewat's "tonight's the night" it gives me the feeling he's feeding her a line of bullshit about loving her to get inside her pants. Maybe that is coloured by Rod's famous sexual exploits so that it has a kind of a gloating feeling for me. And he shouldn't sing standards. That is because he can't. Not as bad as Paul McCartney, however. The only rockstar I have heard who' s done them brilliantly is Harry Nilsson and he did it years before it was fashionable. the album is called "a little touch of scmilsson in the night". (Please excuse the terrible punctuation . I am using speech to text and it has its limitations )

I am listening to Harry Nielsen's album, and having a little weep for my dad. We talked about everything and he once said to me that he and other men of his generation loathed and despised a rapist and any man found to be one got a damned good hiding. My mum used to bang on about boys "respecting you ". Some of the ones I dated, didn't and when they found out I wasn't going to put out, dropped me like a stone. Then I found one who did, but she forbade me to see him because of his long hair and hippie clothes. Dad liked him and overruled her for once.

What utter crap. It's a lovely song and they should have kept their ridiculous ideas to themselves. They sound like complete fools.

Or just young, Isadora? Mind you, at 25 I had been singing in bands for a few years and enjoying the wonderful songs that the other musicians taught me. I really hate mucked about lyrics as I think its an insult to the lyricist not to sing them as written. Even Dame Cleo Laine has been guilty of this. There is a song called "I'm Shadowing You" with lyrics by Johnny Mercer. He wrote :

" Picketing for every cause
Fighting the unjust laws
What a team we'll be just you J Edgar Hoover and me"

( On the second chorus it's "you the secret service and me")

She sang

"Shadowing's much more fun
When there is more than one"

Which doesn't make any sense. What on earth was the problem – nobody would think she'd turned into a communist by singing a couple of lines with a Communist slant! It made me lose a bit of respect for her– but only a bit.

Oh honestly

I like the version that Sammy Davis Junior and Carmen McCrae recorded. None of that little girl nonsense, she's entirely in control and amused by it all. Some versions are awful, but that's more down to the artists' performance, IMO.

'Text me at your earliest convenience'

Well, there's a line to get your heart racing and really set the butterflies going. If that doesn't arouse your passions nothing will.

I missed that Clash because I didn't manage to read that far down the lyrics. Fucking hell, what a travesty. Which brings me to a gripe I have got with modern lyrics – it seems that it is okay now for them not to rhyme or scan. Not in my fucking book!

Gosh how worthy 🙄

Their version sounds like she's trying not to leave and he's trying to get rid of her.
I like the original (Louis & Ella live is my favourite version).

JPinkerton Just checked their ages. They're both older than me! And I've known and loved that song ever since I can remember.

This was Dads favourite and is mine – Ella Fitzgerald with Louise Jordan (how I do hate this fucking speech to text. I get a steroid jab in my hand next week – if it works I can kiss speech to text goodbye!) That should read Louis Jordan

Isadora you sound like me! The first jazz record I can recall hearing was Lena Horne with a trio singing Honeysuckle Rose - I was about four. The ones that made the major impact on me were " King Porter stomp" by the Harry James Orchestra and "1 o'clock Jump " by the Count Basie Orchestra. I am still listening and learning to this day. And that pair of twats should try writing their own songs and see how far they get!

Exactly. When they can write lyrics to equal those of Cole Porter or Noël Coward I might listen to what they have to say!

Or Mel Torme. He wrote "the Christmas song" known to many as chestnuts roasting on an open fire . The next couple of line speak of Yuletide carols being sung by a choir and folks dressed up like Eskimos. No doubt they would change Eskimos to Inuit. Fuck 'em, I say. Fuck 'em because I'll have none of it! There are many artists that I regret not having heard live , and he is one of them. The breath control that man had was incredible. At least I got to hear Anita O'Day twice 30 or so years ago and she was at the peak of perfection.