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...to think Mother Gothal is the worst!

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Stilltryingtobeme · 03/12/2016 12:27

Tangled is on (two small children with hand, foot and mouth, thank heavens for Disney!).

Anyway, I'm watching it and thinking Mother Gothal is the worst of all the Disney baddies. She raises this child, clearly educates her as she can read, write, bake etc, celebrates her birthdays each year, basically does all the things a parent would do. Rapunzel is a well rounded young woman (particularly given the circumstances). But despite all this, she still merrily kills her boyfriend, treats her like dirt and obviously has no feelings for her. How!?!? It would take an incredibly callous individual to not give the slightest inclination after all that time.

And my mother was abusive but I'm not sure she would have stooped to that!

Anyone think a different villain is worse?

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MammaBooBoo · 03/12/2016 12:46

She makes Rapunzel thinks she's her loving mother, but the amount she mentally abuses her is quite startling. Constantly only showing proper affection to the hair and calling her flower, she truely only sees her as an object that might go wandering.

Judge Claude Frollo was the same in Hunchback of Notre Dame, and just so happens to be my favourite villian. They both have their own motives for keeping their adoptive children around and only teach them things and give them things to do so they stay put.
I take Disney far too seriously Grin

NapQueen · 03/12/2016 12:47

I wonder why Mother Gothel celebrated Rapunzel birthday on her actual birthday. Surely she would have changed it!

ProudBadMum · 03/12/2016 12:49

I think she was a bit thick. If she'd have changed the date of her birthday then none of it would have happened and she would still have her.

Who kidnaps a child and keeps their birthday the same?! I wouldn't.

ElsaAintAsColdAsMe · 03/12/2016 12:51

She was stupid to even tell her about birthdays in the first place. She could have saved herself a fortune in presents Grin

NapQueen · 03/12/2016 12:53

And how did she get up to the Tower when Rapunzel hair was shorter?

ProudBadMum · 03/12/2016 12:53

elsa yes! I wouldn't have taught her to speak either. The whole Why stage of your own child is annoying, never mind one you've kidnapped

ProudBadMum · 03/12/2016 12:55

nap there's a door at the bottom of tower, I'm sure that's how she gets out after R runs away with Flynn

chanie44 · 03/12/2016 12:57

I sing 'mother knows best to my children'. I'm a bad mummy.

enchantmentandlove · 03/12/2016 13:00

I completely agree. To me, Mother Gothel is probably the worst of all the Disney villains. The passive aggressiveness, constant put downs and making Rapunzel feel like she's never good enough. Then when she's finally free, the guilt she puts onto her, before trying to kill the one who helped her to become free.

It's obviously extreme, but I think the troubling thing with her character is how relatable she is to many people's own mothers.

Stilltryingtobeme · 03/12/2016 13:16

I'm so glad it's not just me that takes all this far too seriously! I love a Disney movie but my boy loves this one in particular and I find myself analysing ever little detail!

And yes to hunchback, Frollo is so gloriously tormented. Burning the woman he loves if he can't have her? Nothing like a cliche there!

And Yup, so like my mother it's not funny.... Oh, we're near the end. He's alive!

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onecurrantbun1 · 03/12/2016 13:18

My 2 year old has gone off Tangled "I don't like her witch mother". Agree she's a lot more complex than the usual "baddie" who is just pure evil through and through. There is something very sinister / haunting about the song "Mother knows best"

Have you seen Maleficent? I loved that film - seeing it from the bad guy's side was so interesting.

MommaGee · 03/12/2016 13:23

Maleficent has the same appeal as wicked,that need to find the reason for it, the niceness in her. Love both

WanderingNotLost · 03/12/2016 13:40

Don't even get me started on Frozen. 'Conceal it, don't feel it, don't let it show.' That is messed up!!

Stilltryingtobeme · 03/12/2016 21:59

Oh yes, frozen! Although the whole love sets you free thing is nice!

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KanyesVest · 03/12/2016 22:17

"Conceal, don't feel" makes me sob like a baby every time. I was glad those parents died, they were total dicks, no wonder poor Elsa was so screwed up Sad

How did Mother G slide in through the secret door without Rapunzel seeing her though? Rapunzel is a smart girl, she would have been out like a shot if she had.

And the birthday thing has always struck me as particularly stupid.

QuackDuckQuack · 03/12/2016 22:24

I am regularly tempted to sing 'mother knows best', when DD needs to do as I've asked. I have to remember that Mother Gothel is evil and I might disturb DD.

toomuchtooold · 04/12/2016 09:35

Mother Gothel is the closest I've ever come to seeing my mother depicted on film. Tangled is quite well known among adult children of people with narcissistic personality disorder - for a lot of us it's the first time you realise that your parent isn't the only one that acts in that particular batshit crazy way. It is incredibly validating to see someone like that being portrayed as the bad guy.
I did wonder if one of the writers had a parent with NPD but in an interview they said they just asked all their female colleagues about their mothers' most annoying habits and built a character out of that. I still suspect there is an NPD relative somewhere in the families if the writing team though, the depiction was so accurate.

TaraCarter · 04/12/2016 09:45

Watch- it's an alternate ending to Frozen and it's great.

MommaGee · 04/12/2016 18:13

Haha awesome

klassykringle · 04/12/2016 18:20

Yes toomuch, the familiarities are downright uncanny with my mum too.

I have the opposite problem Stilltrying, I find the sugary saccharine mums on tv impossible to believe in as I've never experienced kind mothering myself!

Angelto5 · 04/12/2016 18:26

I was also amazed that mother G didn't change her name either!

There is a theory that Anna and Elsa's parents didn't die at sea but were in fact Tarzan's parents.

CozumelFox · 04/12/2016 22:30

She's far worse than you make out in your OP, OP. She doesn't educate her - she leaves her in a tower with some books and paints and Rapunzel educates herself. She never sees her as person - when she says 'I love you most' she is stroking at and staring at her hair, not her. Her little jabs and snipes are textbook narcissistic mother - you're chubby, you're guillible, you'll never survive without me, I'm all you have, never leave me, you can't be out there alone.

Then gets nasty at the first boyfriend scenario - "Why would he like you?" and "Give it to him, watch, you'll see / Trust me, my dear / That's how fast he'll leave you."

I found her very hard to watch as my mother had said all this and more, and to think that it was clearly a common enough occurence to have formed a character over was quite startling. You're fat, you're ugly, everyone's laughing at you, you can't ever move out, you can't leave, you'll never get a job, you're too stupid, you need me, you stay with me, oh, a boyfriend? He's just using you, he will leave you...

And then, yeah, as you say, by the end you relaise Rapunzel simply isn't a person to her at all, she genuinely has no feelings towards her other than as a source of the spell.

It was a tough one to explain to my kids, that's for sure. They couldn't untangle the warm, friendly scenes of brushing the child's hair and talking about birthday presents, and the hug, with the villain at the end.

I don't really see Elsa's parents as bad at all - Elsa needed to hide the damn ice powers, she couldn't control it and was running the risk of killing someone or being discovered and cast out/burned as a witch. Concealing it worked. Yeah, OK, love and happiness worked too, but she'd almost killed their other daughter, and it was unlikely Elsa would have been able to relax from that for a long time.

CozumelFox · 04/12/2016 22:31

I think Hans is pretty dark, as Disney villains go. Very uncomfortable viewing.

CotswoldStrife · 04/12/2016 22:39

I also thought the parents in Frozen locked the gates to the castle to protect Elsa - it's Elsa herself that tries to conceal her feelings so that she doesn't reveal her powers, it's her feelings that set the ice off in the film.

The first time we watched Frozen I spotted Rapunzel and Flynn going in to the castle when the gates were opened before Elsa's coronation.

I love 'mother knows best' and annoy my own daughter with it! Mother Gothel only takes Rapunzel because the flower that she used to keep herself young was picked and used to heal Rapunzel's mother, giving Rapunzel her powers (yes, I may have seen this a few times ...)

CanaryFish · 04/12/2016 23:32

Another one here who doesn't understand why Mother Gothel didn't just tell her her birthday was a different day. Or tell her they were for something else.
Actually even after Flynn tells Rapunzel the lanterns are for the lost princess she still thinks they are for her.
Rapunzel knows way too much for someone who's never been outside.
Mother Gothel could've kept her chained up and never spoke to her, conditioned her.
Same with Frollo and Quasi , why educate him or engage with him at all. I suppose because he thought god was watching, but it takes a special kind of evil to tell him his own mother abandoned him when he'd actually killed her!! And poor Quasi should be soooo grateful Frollo didn't drown him. Dark, dark movie.

The most evil villain in my book is Scar . But he's a lion so killing ones brother and nephew is par for the course. But as a cartoon goes he's the worst.
Cute little Simba loves his uncle and has no idea he wants him dead, doesn't realise he's being put down and manipulated "little roar" etc
After he murdered Mufasa , Scar could've easily smothered the weeping cub with his paw, who would've known? But no he went one better - tell the devastated child not only is the death HIS fault and to run away but then he sends the hyenas after him anyway .
So as far as Scar is concerned Simba dies torn apart by hyenas while his last thoughts are of how he was responsible for his own fathers death and couldn't face his own mother.

Scar goes on then to ruin the kingdom and torture and abuse Mufasa's loved ones further, locking up his best friend and punching his wife
bastard.