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having read the whole thread about tipping, i have an anecdote to add.....

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rabbitwoman · 28/11/2016 16:22

I have not posted a lot on mumnset, but having read the whole of the most recent thread on tipping, and finding the complete polarisation of opinions about it interesting, i thought i would start a new thread with an illustrative anecdote and see what you think of that?

Me and my husband went for a lovely meal, about two months ago - the waiter was someone we vaguely knew, a friend or a friend's brother type of scenario and he was perfectly nice. Took our order, brought our drinks, brought our food, brought our bill - visited our table a total of six times, in the course of about an hour and fifteen minutes. When i dine out, i usually have some kind of discount voucher or special offer - i have a tastecard - so get a good discount off a meal, on this occasion about £18, so was happy to leave our waiter a cash tip of £5. No problem. This is what usually happens, and seems standard. Sometimes, i don't tip. Sometimes, I leave a pound. Depends.

Anyway, my husband works in retail. Zero hours contract, minimum wage, part time. He works in a shop selling high end technical equipment. A few days after our lovely meal, who should come into my husband's shop but our waiter! Remember, someone we vaguely know. And my husband serves him.

Waiter has a phone of a make that the shop doesn't even sell, but there is a bit of a problem with the software. Someone has recommended that our waiter visit my husband because my husband is, frankly, a genius with a good reputation. So my husband takes a look, says to our waiter, no problem, give me twenty minutes, go off and do your shopping and when you come back i will have fixed it.

So off our waiter goes. My husband does some google research on the problem, downloads a software fix, uploads it onto the phone, and returns it to the waiter in good working order. Thank you, says the waiter, and leaves.

Let me just reiterate, my husband has done this FOR FREE. Did not take payment - not unusual, he would do this for anyone and believes that it builds trust and wins return custom, he always does this. So, we gave our waiter £5 for maybe a 3 minutes of serving us. My husband then fixes his phone FOR FREE and does not get a tip. The waiter did not even buy anything!

Don't feel sorry for us, by the way, we are not JAMs just because my husband is on minimum wage, zero hours, etc; i bought my flat before house prices went crazy, we are child free and therefore, as far as we are concerned, semi retired and getting by very well, thank you.

My husband has a lot of hobbies and interests outside work which he has a lot of time to concentrate on so is perfectly happy with his job. He ALWAYS goes above and beyond for customers; things he has done includes a full forensic data recovery on a water damaged laptop - for free - helping customers with their CVs and court cases, teaching them photoshop and building websites - sometimes he gets a bottle of wine or a box of chocolates, very much appreciated, lots of thank you cards, but its not expected, or very often, or from every customer. He did not, by the way, mind at all that our waiter had not given him anything. Did not expect it. Lots of customers don't tip him, it is a lovely surprise when they do.

I just wanted to see what people thought of that? Why social convention dictates that we give our waiter £5 for doing his job, but our waiter gives my husband nothing, for going well above and beyond? Interesting, especially as noone was able to explain why some service providers automatically get tips and some don't?

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BarbaraofSeville · 28/11/2016 17:32

I posted on the other thread about my DP who worked in a high end bike shop and would spend many hours selling, fitting and building bikes worth several thousand pounds for just over minimum wage. Hardly anyone ever tipped.

People would also come and get loads of advice on stuff and then go off and get it slightly cheaper online Sad.

rabbitwoman · 28/11/2016 17:36

there you go, Barbara......

and wouldn't it be a shame if this great customer service and advice disappeared from the high street? you just cannot get it online, and you cannot eat out in a lovely restaurant on line either. another similarity.....

i don't begrudge the waiter his tip. happy to tip, and sometimes i don't, but i would really love it if one day the government or something out out a statement that you just don't have to do it any more, and the whole business would stop...... and noone would feel bad for not doing it.....

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anotheronebitthedust · 28/11/2016 17:40

I agree OP. Logically there is no reason why we should tip some types of minimum wage jobs and not others, other than a)tradition and b)some workers not being able to accept tips. Which again is bizarre. How come one big business (say Harvester) is allowed to have the public choose to supplement its staff's wages by receiving additional pay to their salaried wage, and another (say Boots) isn't?

Being a good waiter/shop-assistant/personal caregiver/cleaner/taxi driver/hairdresser/admin assistant etc all involve very different skills but (having done a good selection of them) I refuse to believe the roles that traiditonally get tips are harder/more demanding/exhausting than those that don't.

toptoe · 28/11/2016 17:41

Don't you get bonuses for good service in retail? Or is that just for the management? I remember getting discounts when I worked in retail.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/11/2016 17:44

No bonuses, but yes to discounts, but how many £3k bikes or £500 light sets do you think the average minimum wage shop worker can afford, no matter what the discount?

Discounted bikes don't pay bills or for eating out or tipping people earning the same as you either.

RortyCrankle · 28/11/2016 17:48

YABU and TAAT which is not nearly full.

FarAwayHills · 28/11/2016 17:48

I don't always tip Blush I just don't see why I should pay someone more for just doing their job when they get paid for doing it already.

The idea used to be that low paid service workers were tipped but as they get as much as many people in other non tipped jobs I just don't see the point.

ByeByeLilSebastian · 28/11/2016 17:50

I agree. I hate the tipping culture.

LineyReborn · 28/11/2016 17:56

We're not supposed to tip the binmen but I always do, and well, and they'll take any old crap away for me all year.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/11/2016 18:02

Our binmen leave our bin right in the middle of the footpath and also blocking the drive. If they managed to put it back where they found it for more than a week or two after I complain, they might be worthy of a tip probably not.

RandyMagnum2 · 28/11/2016 18:03

I never tip anyways, even if I did tip I'd think if I was on zero hours minimum wage I would definitely never tip.

Ahardmanisgoodtofind · 28/11/2016 18:41

Your dp sounds lovely but he essentially providing a service that that others would charge for,and most people would possibly assume that he must be paid more by his employer for doing so or he wouldn't do it ifyswim (bil works in a computer shop and is on lots more than his colleagues because of his skills for example)
I've worked in bars and restaurants (along side other jobs) for 15+ years, and always tip good service from servers.
I work part time for minimum wage. Last week I was in work for 7am to take in deliveries and clean the beer lines. Through the day I had to field complaints such as " I asked for my steak medium but I can see pink" (and get it changed by a stressed super busy low paid chef) abuse because we sell bottles of wine for more than tesco, I spent 20minutes reading the menu for an elderly gentleman who was wildly inappropriate and down right horrible when I gently asked him not to touch me up. I got a break at 4 for twenty minutes. The evening was spent getting abuse from a woman who bought her TEN year old a bottle of peroni, splitting up a fight between to idiot women on a Xmas do.disposing of a pint of sick some idiot thought was a good prank and then cleaning up for two hours until 1am.as well as general stupid requests,comments people talking to me like I'm an idiot.then it was my job to sort takings etc until I got beaten up and robbed a few weeks ago.all done with a smile on my face. I work in quite a naice place and that was nothing compared to what the weekend team goes through. It might look like all waiters and bar staff do is bring you stuff you've asked for but ALOT goes into the duties you don't see.

Oh my that was very ranty. Sorry Blush

rabbitwoman · 28/11/2016 19:04

Oh, I completely understand how dreadful your job must be, I was a barmaid myself in my younger years and can tell similar tales ......

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chipsandpeas · 28/11/2016 19:18

when i worked in retail it was company poilcy not to accept any form of tips, and if we did we could have been sacked

Toadinthehole · 28/11/2016 23:42

Tipping is evil.

No one should tip, ever, even in the States. Not doing so will encourage employers to pay a fair wage.

It's an exploitative, feudal practice that has no place in a fair society.

MrTCakes · 28/11/2016 23:49

I don't tip. I earn NMW myself and can't afford to make up other people's wages for them.

Toadinthehole · 28/11/2016 23:52

And it encourages tax evasion, ie, theft from the community. How many staff keep a record of their tips and declare them in their tax return?

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 29/11/2016 02:52

I don't know why people are so desperate to "understand" why some jobs receive tips and some don't. Is it so hard to accept that some social conventions aren't particularly logical? Why does everything have to fit into a way that you can understand?

RichardBucket · 29/11/2016 03:23

YANBU

Just one of the many ways tipping customs are illogical.

Toadinthehole · 29/11/2016 03:34

Oh, the logic is simple enough. As an archaic hangover from the days when the local lord of the manor would flick Wat the shit shoveller the odd groat, you tip people who do something a servant would do.

FreddoFrog · 29/11/2016 03:54

I agree with Wolver, that the 'discrepancy' as you see it results from social convention.

However, I do think your DH should seek some sort of bonus/increased wages as he is garnering so much goodwill for his employers. I recently paid about £60 for someone to fix my mobile phone! And he took longer than 20 minutes!

Pallisers · 29/11/2016 03:57

No one should tip, ever, even in the States. Not doing so will encourage employers to pay a fair wage.

Well you not tipping in the US will just encourage the unfortunate waitstaff who meet you to think you are a wanker. there will be no great social movement toward fair wage because you don't pay a tip. But you may well think you are a social warrior - go you.

When I read these threads I am always surprised that people think tipping is a modern thing. It isn't. My parents tipped hairdressers, wait staff, taxi drivers etc. They were born in the 1920s into working class/lower middle class families. I have never sat at a meal in a restaurant with my parents where they didn't leave a few shillings/pounds/euros on the table.

They visited a cousin in the US with me years ago. Cousin was very well off and had a live-in housekeeper. I was very surprised that my parents thought it necessary to give a tip to the housekeeper to say thanks when leaving. There were a lot of people in that house that weekend and I think my parents were the only ones who tipped the housekeeper - she was very appreciative that they appreciated her work.

They used to also give money to say thanks to my cleaners (who come once a week) when they stayed with me.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/11/2016 04:01

You're not breaking etiquette with a thread about a thread. You're breaking rules.

It's social convention to tip waiting staff, not retail staff.

You DH did not do the repair for free, his employer was paying him.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/11/2016 04:02

You're not breaking etiquette with a thread about a thread. You're breaking rules.

It's social convention to tip waiting staff, not retail staff.

You DH did not do the repair for free, his employer was paying him.

mathanxiety · 29/11/2016 04:31

I am finding it really hard to understand your husband's habit of doing people favours when he could be charging for his work. I am also having a hard time understanding his employer's approach here.

Someone hands over an expensive phone to him and he downloads software that fixes the problem - all fine and dandy. But what happens when your husband ruins someone's expensive electronic item? Who is liable for the loss? He is an employee but performing a service on a personal basis while in the premises? Or is he an employee whose free repairing of equipment is part of his job description?

This is a really slapdash, amateurish way to run a business. Any time I have had computer repairs done I have had to sign a waiver, and have understood that I hand my stuff over at my own risk.

Your DH should set up his own business on the side, and he should charge for his services. He has surely built up a good reputation by now.

Just tip. It's the way things are done.