To not want to leave a tip ?

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Went for a meal tonight nothing fancy just pizza and my friend seemed mortified that I didn't leave a tip. I was paying for our meal and I generally don't leave tips. Ive never left a tip for anyone actually not taxi drivers, hairdressers, waiters is that mean of me ?

But WHY are certain min wage jobs deemed more worthy of tipping than others?

Will somebody please answer the question?

Another on (one) minimum wage that saves to go for dinner maybe 3-4 times a year. We include a tip as part of the cost of our evening out.

When I was a teenager I worked as a waitress one summer. It was hard work but I was always friendly and helpful to customers so tended to get good tips. It was a waste of time though because they were split between everyone so I only received a small proportion of what I'd actually gathered in tips.

Now when I eat out, I'll usually leave a few quid if I have some change. Sometimes if I go out in a larger group for a work lunch and we're just paying individually with cards, I'll contribute if others are but often a service charge will already have been added due to the group size.

All these people who never tip: do you never go anywhere where service is already added? Do you actually shudder ask for it to be taken off?

I tip in restaurants if the service is good, and most of the time it is. But I'm not leaving a tip if the waiter was unpleasant. However, I also have known a lot of people who have worked in restaurants who weren't allowed to keep their tips and had to hand them in, so I'm always dubious as to how much difference tipping makes.

I'd never heard of tipping taxi drivers until I came on mumsnet. Tried it once and taxi driver handed it back looking bemused and told me I had already paid the right amount.

My hairdresser flatly refuses tips too, although maybe it's because she is self employed so sets her own prices anyway?

The idea that people deserve a tip simply for being on minimum wage or a low salary makes no sense to me though. Because a lot of people who feel obliged to leave a tip are also on minimum wage.

Horse they're not deemed more worthy, I'm sure people would tip care assistants (for example) if it were allowed!

I tip if the service has been good. If it's a self service place like a pizza Hut buffet or a carvery, I won't unless the customer service has been outstanding. If the service is poxy, then no tip.

Always tip 20% and generally 25% when in the US. You can tell a lot about a person from the way they treat waiting staff. If I were your friend I would be equally unimpressed.

If they add service I don't tip if they don't then I leave 15%

*But WHY are certain min wage jobs deemed more worthy of tipping than others?

Will somebody please answer the question?*

Horsemad - I work a min wage job and we are told we are not allowed to ''keep the change'' (people intend it as a tip at the till) and we have to put that money in the charity box we have on the till. I was once given a fiver and said ''Keep that for yourself'' but I had to refuse even though I would have loved to accept! Its just not allowed but it is for other jobs

If I was somewhere like the US where people rely on tips I would.

But here in the U.K. I don't think YABU to not tip. I tip but only if the service is way above average and I feel like the person has gone out of there way, not just done what their job entails.

You don't tip retail workers, or healthcare professionals, both of which are also often on minimum wage, so why a server in a restaurant who has done what their job requires of them?

I've asked for service charge to be removed before due to poor service

I thought everyone tipped of service wasn't included, I would be embarrassed to walk out without

But WHY are certain min wage jobs deemed more worthy of tipping than others?

Convention. It might not be logical, but then neither are plenty of conventions if etiquette. It's still no excuse for not tipping in a restaurant.

It's just a convention, but it does look tight to not do it on principle, rather than because service was poor.

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How is tipping demeaning? it is demeaning for an adult to have to be 'coy'in asking for his/tip. I have watched grown men shuffle their feet about looking up and down at the door, until it clicked they are waiting for a tip.
I've had concierges asking repeatedly, 'anything else, anything else?" In a quiete little boy voice, whilst staring at their shoes when it's clear there's nothing else at least that the customer needs. That is what is demeaning.

Social justice excuses, are what have made society livable today. Social justice campaigns are what have given us women's rights, children's rights, workers rights and so many other types. But I'm glad you find it funny.. Employers should be called to account for why they pay so little that employees need to top us with tips. These employers make huge profits. A tip should be for discretionary service or else it should be Called a service charge. But in my experience when I have paid a hefty service charge, I've still had the staff shuffling their feet about for tips, so clearly they're out benefiting financially from the service charge.

The employers are the ones laughing all the way to the bank, whilst denying their staff a decent wage and fleecing customers.

I'm surprised by all the people saying they don't tip. I've worked as a waitress in a rural area and a bar tender in a city when at school and uni and it was very rare not to be tipped at the cafe/restaurant and I was also often tipped at the bar. I always tip and so do the people I eat out with. I factor the tip into the cost of the meal when deciding whether or not to go for a meal out.

Ive worked in three different restaurants while I was a student. One of which was a national chain. I did not pay any tax on my tips and my tax code was the same as all my friends who had various minimum wage jobs. Like.i said in my first post. If I worked Friday and Saturday nights I was going home with a fair wedge of money. Especially at this time of year.

Wow I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who don't tip.

what?! I am not against social justice obviously just those that use it as an excuse to be tight. Which not tipping palpably is however you dress it up in your head.

If you are such a caring person concerned with these issues I am sure you are a generous tipper anyway. I am sure the waiter would rather have his 10% tip than your solidarity!.

So if you're on minimum wage yourself, you should still be obliged to tip "just because it's the done thing"?

Nope. I get why it's done in the US, but I can't understand why it'd be done in the UK.

I find it odd people saying that we don't tip here. Most people do..I've worked as a waitress for years and it's very common to tip.

I don't know anyone who doesn't think you should tip and I don't exactly hang out with wealthy people.

So if you're on minimum wage yourself, you should still be obliged to tip "just because it's the done thing"?

Yes. You just factor it into the cost of the meal. Or I did when I was on MW anyway.

Well, glad that I'm in Australia where it's not the done thing.

If I go somewhere like Pizza Express, then I always ask the waiter/waitress if they get their tips...I then don't put the tip through the card machine but I leave it on the table and I tell the waiter / waitress what I've done.

Yes, I do ask for the tip to be taken off the bill. But I DO leave it on the table.