To not want to leave a tip ?

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Went for a meal tonight nothing fancy just pizza and my friend seemed mortified that I didn't leave a tip. I was paying for our meal and I generally don't leave tips. Ive never left a tip for anyone actually not taxi drivers, hairdressers, waiters is that mean of me ?

treaclesoda, We used to have a fab postman but I didn't ever tip him. I did give him some money for a present for his new baby when it arrived though.

Frikadela no one makes you stay in your job, but you do. Why is that?

I'm sure councils have policies they have to adhere to but to say bin collectors are ALL no marks who will go off sick at the drop of a hat, except at Christmas is a bit much TBH. I couldn't fault our refuse collectors and they fall into the very helpful category.

Answer the points, Fame. You've posted a lot about how things are in your experience so that shouldn't be difficult for you. Being dismissive of my posts doesn't make yours credible.

Or perhaps, as another poster suggested, you are just being goady?

I will tip if they have given exceptional service. If all they've done is bought my food to me, I feel this is what they're paid for. However, if they discuss the menu, recommend dishes, wine/drinks etc. I will tip generously. This (the knowledge of food/wine and attention to detail) to me, is the difference between a skilled and unskilled position.
For that reason, I won't tip if if gets split between all the staff. The chef's should be on a decent enough wage not to need a tip and the pot washing doesn't require much thinking about, therefore is not a skilled position.
I also without exception ask for the service charge to be taken off. That really gets my goat! Tips should be optional not expected. It winds me up even more when a service charge is added on the tables of 6 or more, what difference is one table of 6, to 3 tables of 2!

Fair enough, Rousette, I agree with what you're saying. They don't ALL go off sick, there is just a marked reduction in sickness absence at Christmas periods and it doesn't correlate with the other services.

Our refuse collectors are nice too, we're lucky. If they do block you in they try to move off quickly and always acknowledge.

Agree that many workers are on min wage and don't recieve tips. I don't see why waiting staff need to be given special treatment in this country. Retail, care workers, cleaners etc usually don't get tips and work hard

I will not be answering that whole myriad of opinion, lying.

With regards to being goady, some posters have agreed and thanked me for my posts and my imput, so just because you don't like what I'm saying or the tone I am using does not mean that you can label me as goady.

I will answer this though.

Perhaps you've had some bad experiences of waiting and are projecting as bit? I'm taking your post at face value.

Projection is all that we've got.

You are projecting based on your solo experience in waste management. We are all projecting or personal experiences to contribute to a group discussion.

If you think you know more than your personal experiences and trusting the recalled experiences of your small percentage sample of the people in this country then you are sadly mistaken.

What on earth else do you think we are doing here? We are entertaining ourselves we are not changing the world!

Thought not, Fame. As you were then.

Wow. Are you for real?

I am Fame, I am changing the world 👑🏆

Netflix, I agree with this entirely. There seems to be a history with waiting staff tipping that doesn't translate appropriately now that NMW is in. Managers have to pay this wage - as a minimum - and unless ALL NMW tipping becomes convention then there's no fairness in it.

I can think of many NMW jobs where the staff would be more deserving of tips but in the absence of that, I just show my gratitude in ways that I can without making them feel awkward. Nurses and caring staff are on the top of my list!

Thought not, Fame. wink As you were then.

When I asked that question, I got told my posts were too "wordy".

#sensingatheme

You don't know they will feel awkward. They might appreciate a cash tip - your projecting your feelings about money and tipping to predict how they will react to something you don't want to do anyway.

Mmm VeryBitchy, I saw. I'm just not engaging now.

Personal attacks are always a sign that people are struggling to put forward decent points. Carry on doing what you are doing and justify it as being principled, I'm happy with where I stand, I'm happy to tip. I'm happy to make up the difference if someone isn't willing to put in.

If I have got good service then the provider will receive an appropriate tip, even if it costs me more to make up the difference. I will be subtle, if possible without the others knowing. But if I'm there the tip happens.

Just say 'I don't tip'. Don't attack the institution and act like you are doing humanity a favour by keeping your money in your pocket.

That's so awkward. You are being childish. "I'm not talking to you, starting from now because I need to talk to you to tell you I'm not talking to you..." Nice one, you sound like a treasure.

Cleaners often get tips! When I was a mere 16 years old, I was a chambermaid at a small local posh hotel. I worked my arse off for a pittance and often got something left in the room for me as a thanks - it meant so much at the time.

And as for your post of everything they have to put up with Fame. Yup I put up with all of that and more since I started in healthcare.

Yep. I read that post and thought 'cry me a river'. I work in a hospital as a HCA for just over MW and put up with a hell of a lot of shit and I get just my wage. It's a lot more responsibility as well.

I am not complaining about that. It's what I signed up for and I don't expect more than the wage I was offered when I went for the job.

Yet some people think others should tip because wait staff put up with a lot of crap and don't earn much money.

No, I can't accept tips, but tipping wait staff is nonsensical. It's an outdated tradition. I go above and beyond for many patients, because I like to do a good job, not because I'm trying to earn tips or in my case get a box of chocolates when they are discharged.

I have no doubt wait staff work hard. Like me, they know what their wage is when they take the job. No one should feel like they have to give them more. It's nice if you want to tip but nothing wrong with not tipping either.

Like me, they know what their wage is when they take the job.

Correct. And... They know that their wage is customarily topped up by tips. Just because you don't like it doesn't stop it being the norm.

Rousette I tip chambermaids as I often stay in hotels for much of the week so I ask for them to do my room first so that I can work without being disturbed - and they do, very helpful.

When I was staying with my husband (who has masses of sugar in everything), the lady who did the room used to bring hundreds of sachets for him. She got a brilliant tip!

U2, I don't think waiting staff put up with any more crap than you do in your job and I think it's deplorable that your job is minimum wage, it should be much higher.

NOBODY should have to be putting up with shitty customers/patients/people... and that's what makes tipping a bit of a nonsense when that's touted as a reason because just how much money would make accepting that abuse ok?

Everybody doing their job should be treated with respect, for no additional money paid or expected.

I am still in total support of LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

i think if people are unhappy in their jobs, then they should be trying to change it from within - fight for you own pay and conditions, don't expect other people to subsidise you.

This is the way we should be helping each other - fighting for the rights of each other - getting rid of this race to the bottom. Yet look how people are treated who do try to do that...

I WILL NOT tip to subsidise someone else's pay, because that takes the pressure off the employers who are the ones that should be paying accordingly.

You're right of course, it's pressure from within allied with lobbying and action from both staff and consumers that is more likely to bring about better conditions.

I agree with you that tipping with alacrity - for no good reason - just papers over the cracks and allows - or even facilitates employers to ride roughshod over their staff.

I also think that anybody with half a brain cell would be challenging the taxation of tips that they may or may not be receiving too. Better that the tips cease and staff therefore don't get taxed on them in the first place. Why is that taxation even in place?