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Colleague's speech patterns annoying me

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cardboardPeony · 20/11/2016 18:46

I think I probably ABU but I have a colleague who uses phrases like "X is going toilet". This really grates on me but I don't know how to say that it does or if I'm just being unreasonable and it's a regional thing.

Also we work with children and therefore should be using the language we want them to use, especially as lots of them are just learning English, but I think I am going to sound like a major pedant bringing it up.

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Mindtrope · 20/11/2016 20:14

struggles

pfrench · 20/11/2016 20:15

I don't like 'have a toilet', 'going toilet' either. I work with children and the correct sentence is 'going to the toilet' - that's the English that would be expected in their writing according to the national curriculum, so that's how I would expect them to speak, and how I'd expect adults to speak around them.

Dozer · 20/11/2016 20:16

Bad grammar is not OK in education settings ImO.

Mindtrope · 20/11/2016 20:16

In Scotland we talk of " going for the messages" when we mean food shopping.

harderandharder2breathe · 20/11/2016 20:21

Yabu

I've known people to speak like that from the midlands and northwest

As long as they know what the correct grammar is for teaching children or writing or an occasion where formality is required I think it's fine

As a teenager I said sll sorts of ridiculous local idioms that probably sounded ridiculous in my slight northern accent (now I've lived in the south for fifteen years it would be impossible to tell the town I'm from just from my accent, people are always surprised), but I knew perfectly well how to speak to my parents and extended family in proper English grammar and how to write proper English grammar

Bluebeck · 20/11/2016 20:22

Seeing as people from all over the UK are claiming this is a "regional dialect" in their area that doesn't appear to be the answer.

This sort of speech really bothers me too. I had a new staff member when I worked in a very upmarket business travel bureau and we had to let her go because of her poor English. She was perfectly intelligent, but her missing out of words like "to the" and her constant use of "innit" were annoying customers and colleagues alike.

You may not agree with it, but the fact is that issues like this do affect the way people are perceived and can have an adverse impact on their careers.

CustardShoes · 20/11/2016 20:25

Honestly have never heard 'going toilet' before but YANBU, it's awful

I wince at "toilet" let alone "going toilet," but realise it's inevitable that people use such language.

Oakmaiden · 20/11/2016 20:25

Ga i fynd i ty bach?

BratFarrarsPony · 20/11/2016 20:26

surely that is the point of an 'interview' Bluebeck? Confused

You shouldn't have taken her on, should you?

Besides it is perfectly possible to speak dialect and then code switch for work, isn't it? I hope I have taught my children that, at least.

hazeyjane · 20/11/2016 20:27

Sorry, so she was sacked from a jumped up travel agency for her 'poor English'?? That is appalling.

HesMyLobster · 20/11/2016 20:29

I'm in the East Midlands and hear this a lot. It seems to be a very localised thing - you'd hear it in one town and some of the surrounding villages, but not in the next town just a couple of miles away. The word toilet is also pronounced Tor lit in the same town, as mentioned in a previous post.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 20/11/2016 20:31

Very common in SE London.

Bluebeck · 20/11/2016 20:31

Brat I agree she should never have been taken on - I didn't interview her.

Hazey - that's the point. It happens all the time, and if people can't "switch" like brats children then they are making themselves vulnerable.

Benedikte2 · 20/11/2016 20:33

Both my parents (now deceased) grew up in Bromley. My DF would have been 100 recently. Both working class origins and neither ever omitted 'to the' so it must be a relatively recent development.
Another recent development that annoys me is the use of "floor" for ground etc. Floors are inside buildings, not out in the street etc.
Also "ing" is going out of use as in I was sat rather than I was sitting and I was stood instead of I was standing. Sounds much more awkward.
I studied socio linguistics and can accept that language does change but that doesn't stop it grating when it spoils the natural rhythms of the language

LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/11/2016 20:38

Seeing as people from all over the UK are claiming this is a "regional dialect" in their area that doesn't appear to be the answer.

Oddly enough, it's because it is common to many dialects. The same is true of the phrase 'if I was'.

randomer · 20/11/2016 20:43

I wince at "toilet"......what do you call it then?

BTW Scocland/Keccle/Hospical........YUCK

BuonoEstente · 20/11/2016 20:44

East Midlands here and I hear it all the time. I assumed it was a creep up
from London to Loughborough.

Ankleswingers · 20/11/2016 20:45

I visit a lot of childcare/education settings as part of my job. I hear this said too op. I hear it up and down the Country.

Another one that I think is awful is "Come".

An example of where this is used, is any situation whereby the adult is wanting the child's attention, they then speak to the child and just say "Come" instead of "Come here, X" Or "Let's go there" etc

It's so lazy and such poor English.

loobyloo1234 · 20/11/2016 20:48

I think it sounds awful. Lazy and uneducated.

This made me Grin Yes damn you people that were brought up in areas that have a regional dialect. You most definitely are uneducated and lazy Confused just because we may miss out to or t's, doesn't mean we aren't educated

cardboardPeony · 20/11/2016 20:49

LRD isn't "I was" grammatically correct though? "We was" would be wrong.
I might have got the wrong end if the stick with this statement though

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PortiaCastis · 20/11/2016 20:49

I'm Cornish and say bleddy dreckly my ansum my lover maid and teasy and many other words
I'm not "thick" I have a degree from Exeter and went to the Truro School, my accent hasn't stood in my way ever

MerylPeril · 20/11/2016 20:54

MIL used to say 'doing the toilet' which honestly used to make me want to vomit
DH has been told off many times for saying it think he's learned now

LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/11/2016 20:55

card - I didn't say 'I was'. I said 'if I was'.

It's a phrase that used to be considered 'not standard English,' but that is changing, and many people who think they speak standard English would use it.

Potatoooooo · 20/11/2016 21:01

I'm from Nottingham and pretty sure I do this. Grin

cardboardPeony · 20/11/2016 21:03

Interesting. I've Just read up on that, it's not something I've ever noticed.

Would that have started off like "going toilet" ?

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