To think if my husband could get hold of a gun he may do the same

[Thefishewife]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3943864/Alabama-father-shot-dead-daughter-s-sexual-abuser-sentenced-40-years-jail.html

Killing is wrong however I can't say if my husband had the acesss to guns they do in the us he wouldn't do the same I saw how he reacted when our 16 year old was attacked last he grabbed a hammer and went looking for the guys

I couldn't say with all honesty if one of our daughters was sexually abused he wouldn't kill the and I am ashamed to say I might let him 😳🙁


I just being honest he did need to be punished but I think 40 years since to long if that's not provacation don't know what is

I just don't think you would be thinking clearly of something like that happened

[RepentAtLeisure]

That sentence is ridiculous. Surely one that will be reduced on appeal.

[formerbabe]

formerbabe but if you intend to kill the person, it's still murder

I wasn't actually talking about the specific case. I was replying to the posters who were saying 'murder is murder'. That is far too simplistic.

[Thefishewife]

I think that if sexual offenders got proper jail terms people may not feel they need to do such things


27 months for abusing Somone is a joke try half the jail time this dad got and then your more on track

You would litrally get longer for drugs or stealing a car ffs

I think if the abuser had a more robust jail term I would be more inclined to condem the dad howver I never had my child abused in that way and while may can say exactly what there reaction would be I really can't just like I didn't know what my reaction would be when my son was attacked

[TheWrathFromHighAtopTheThing]

Yes, it was me that said it.

I haven't read the case - I'm not that interested in the specifics of this case, I was more interested in the OP and the whole hammer nonsense.

Murder is murder. Unless it's manslaughter.

[LurkingHusband]

Such ridiculous comments! Have you never heard of 'mitigating circumstances'? Not to mention the different degrees of murder? The justice system don't see murder as murder...hence 1st degree murder and 2nd degree murder.

Well, in the UK murder is murder. Otherwise it's manslaughter.

"Mitigating circumstances" apply to the sentence, not the charge.

I'll say it again, in case it annoys people.

Murder is murder.

[GeorgiePeachie]

hmm I think it's too long. Argument for taking her father away is also valid. Murder is murder though so he should be punished.
BUT I'm pretty sure there was another thread that pointed to an article where a man had murdered the man he had found raping his FIVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. And we were baying for his blood and saying that the father was totally in the right there ( He did not serve jail time).

Vigilante justice shouldn't be encouraged, but I also think sexual abuse is an awful crime that should also be punished and maybe the only way to deal with that event for the victim and their family, is to know that they're no longer a danger.

I just don't know. I don't know why I feel okay about the man with the five year old was completely in the right to apply his own justice and why this man was treated so differently.

I'm sure he'll serve less than that.

Awful. So sad.

[magicstar1]

There was a case a few years ago of a Texas father who actually walked in on a neighbour abusing his 5 year old daughter. He beat the neighbour to death and there were no charges pressed.
I think the difference is that he was caught in the act, and it was an instant reaction. This guy went our purposely with a gun looking for revenge for abuse that happened years ago...it was premeditated murder.

[Thefishewife]

And and for those who say murder is murder that's not true that's why they have Diffrent degrees of murder Ect


I think again that's why in these types of crimes the person is punished propley so people don't feel the need to take the law in there own hand there was a case a while back of a man who attacked his 4 year olds abuser in court it was during the offender detailing what he had done to the little girl


m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux0AkLLEcfQ

[iloveeverykindofcat]

The different degree of murder depend on culpability though, not on 'how much the victim deserves to die'. No doubt there are people in the world who absolutely believe that you and I deserve to die.

[Thefishewife]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3217092/Chaos-courtroom-father-attacks-3-year-old-daughter-s-killer-sentencing-hearing.html

The whole thing is very sad that said the guy killed his daughter

[BearsDontDigOnDancing]

Yes, and as I said above about the dad who found his daughter being abused, 1 it was a reaction to the situation so not planned, deadly force was allowed in that state to stop a sexual assault, and the dad actually tried to save the abusers life once he realised how bad it was, and part of the reason they decided to not bring charges, was the records of his emergency call, where he was quite distraught that the ambulance could not find them and was shouting that he was going to load the guy in his truck and get him to a hospital for medical treatment.

[BearsDontDigOnDancing]

Sorry that was in response to magicstar1 Thu 17-Nov-16 14:39:51 post.

Agreeing about the difference between a reaction to a situation happening and premeditated murder.

[TheWrathFromHighAtopTheThing]

Differing degrees of murder means the crime committed is still murder.

Clue is in the name.

[OohMavis]

Mitigating circumstances indeed. Imagine the agony of having your abuser walking free after serving such an insultingly short sentence. Doesn't bear thinking about. If someone did this to my daughter I don't know what I'd be capable of.

40 years is too long, there is context. Like it or not context is taken into account when passing judgment. That doesn't seem to have happened here

[formerbabe]

Murder is murder

Really? OK, let's take 2 imaginary cases...

1. A woman who has suffers years of domestic violence...snaps and stabs her husband to death whilst he's asleep ie...not self defence.
   

1. Man walking down the road, stabs a random stranger to death.
   

Are you honestly saying both these situations should be treated the same by the justice system?

[GeorgiePeachie]

magicstar1 that's a good point about it being premeditated... Although Only once he found out about the abuse, he didn't know about it until then and then went out to find him...still reactionary.

Gah. ALSO sorry but he took a plea deal to plead guilty to save her from testifying, which would be traumatic. The pictures of her in the article have a microphone shoved in her face so she's still having it all out in the lime light. They could have gone to trial anyway and might have got him off with less. The plea bargain system of justice in the US is so awful. Criminal justice is in a frigging mess.

[formerbabe]

Differing degrees of murder means the crime committed is still murder.

Clue is in the name

If murder was murder...the two different degrees would not exist would they?

[TheWrathFromHighAtopTheThing]

It's murder if there is premeditation and intent to kill.

Beyond that what I think about those two imaginary scenarios doesn't matter.

[HarleyQuinzel]

I agree it's a selfish reaction. Imagine how his daughter feels now. She probably blames herself. The victim should be the only person who gets a say in what happens.

I agree that 40 years is much too long though, rapists get much less time.

[c3pu]

Vigilantism is all well and good until the wrong person gets nobbled.

His victim may have been an abuser, but he is now a murderer and he's paying the price.

[Chinlo]

If murder was murder...the two different degrees would not exist would they?

They don't exist in UK law.

[OlennasWimple]

Vigilante justice is not justice

[VestalVirgin]

I haven't read the article, but I bet the abuser was white.

And I am not surprised. This is the US, where rapists and child abusers walk free if their victim is female and over toddler age.

It is no wonder people would be desperate for justice.

No, he has not helped his daughter. But perhaps he has helped those who would have been molested by this man in the future.

If the justice system did its job, this would not have happened.

[NickyEds]

.former the degrees don't exist in UK law (are you abroad?). In both of your scenarios the perpetrators commit murder. The mitigating circumstances would be taken into account on sentencing.

[MadameCholetsDirtySecret]

What if someone in the abusers family has the same approach and then goes to kill someone from the father/victim's family? Where does this end? Violence, whatever the provocation, is wrong.