to be alarmed at school budget cuts

[clayspaniel]

Apparently some schools are going to be badly hit by the new fair funding formula - inner city areas hit hardest. If you put in your postcode it tells you what sort of cuts your school could face, and how this could equate to teachers and TAs jobs. Not encouraging!

(( www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#/ ))

So where is the money for creating new secondary moderns and grammars going to come from then, if the tories are supposedly unable to continue funding schools adequately? Or is that the plan? To make schools unable to function properly so they can argue that the system needs to be overhauled and new secondary moderns and grammars created?

There have been a couple of people on the thread who have commented about schools they know with several heads. No school needs several heads. If they are so cash strapped then reducing to just one head will save a significant chunk. I bet none of the schools in the current worse funded areas have more than one head - but I am prepared to accept I am wrong if somebody can find me an example.

I just looked up my old school, and it's losing the equivalent of 15 teachers, or £500,000.

It has gone from one of the worst performing schools to one of the best. I wonder what will happen now?

Sicisthagicnumber my point exactly. Mone of the multiheads are covering any teaching and have a full complement of admin staff so goodness knows what is going on

None not mone

Surely large schools are going to need more than one head (Junior and Senior departments); job sharing heads will also account for some schools with more than one head. It's not difficult to see why these arrangements are necessary.

This is what dd's school will lose. We are an inner city primary and she already gets no support although she has autism.

six with compulsory lunches and trips clarendon cottage is at least £5k a year with an intake more able than average according to their report. It's not comparable to an average Salford primary, though I'm sure there's one or two round Worsley that buck the trend. At around 5k a year for a more able than average intake it probably has comparable funding to state primaries with similar intakes.

I'm going to look into the 25h free nursery provision for all in Manchester because I've never heard of it prior to your posts.

christinarossetti

Sorry, a very badly written post.

the west Sussex schools are not getting enough to continue to deliver a good standard of education, and are having to contemplate reducing the school week.

So, the easiest way to regain that budget is by getting rid of teachers.

If you make them redundant, you have to pay them redundancy...

Looks like a load of teachers will suddenly become 'inadequate' and will be forced out of their jobs due to 'under performance', then.

Funny how its the "older more experienced (expensive) teacher who are suddenly being labelled "inadequate" after being "outstanding" in the past.
Most schools are already adapting to the new budgets, much larger classes no photocopying is becoming the new norm.

Apols for a tangent. Manchester funds 15hrs childcare for targeted 2 year olds and all 3/4 year olds. In addition an extra 10 hours is paid to schools for the year prior to reception but it's part of the main grant so can be used as schools see fit. Most schools use it to fund the 25 hours to enable pupils to get used to full time school hours prior to starting reception. I've seen this in other boroughs.

My school is apparently due to lose over a million. We only have one head. We've already been making staff savings for years. I suppose if you got rid of most support staff, admin and a couple of departments (arts? Eal? Sen? It?) you could save the money.

handbag do people not usually pay for lunches and trips at state schools? even if your child takes packed lunches to School you have to pay for the food.

"It's not redistribution is it? It's just plain old budget cuts."

^ Agreed.

handbag Do you think the 25 hrs for 3 year olds (30 hours if you count the lunch hour as most of these nurseries do indeed operate on the same timetables as the schools they are attached to) is good use of money in apparently cash strapped schools?

everytimeref exactly the average age of staff has dropped massively over the last few years.

In my school, I should add.

From another thread on the same subject:

"Sorry but this is the NUT and ATL teaching unions making statements that are unrealistic. There are no cuts to funding for most schools, the funding will stay the say in £ terms for at least the next year, until a new national funding formula comes into existence. The figures that are being quoted here are effectively what extra funding schools will need to stay still in terms of staffing numbers if teaching staff continue to get pay rises every year through till 2020.
So there are two things that can happen. Firstly maybe the unions would like to suggest to their members that like many other professions (and incidentally most non-teaching staff in school) that they do not get a pay rise for the next 4 years. Realistically that is not likely to happen, in fact the opposite is much more likely that strike action will be called. Secondly schools will need to start looking very carefully at all their costs, especially in terms of staffing, and cut their cloth to fit with the funding that is available. That may well mean less teachers and support staff."

But we don't get a pay rise!

I haven't had one for years!

Yes, I agree that West Sussex schools need better funding.

And so do the rest of the country.

if teaching staff continue to get pay rises every year through till 2020.

What kind of pay rises are being predicted by the cuts website? Given the pay freeze and minuscule pay rise of recent years I'm interested to know whether the NUT forecasted pay rises incorporated into the figures have us all swimming in champagne or effectively taking more pay cuts?

Well it's the NUT so no doubt it will forecast its payrises based on an unrealistically high amount that is never going to be achievable in the real world.

There are no pay rises (unless moving up the pay scale, but that's not garanteed anymore and schools often don't give it.).

The only guaranteed pay rise nowadays is 1% and that is only given to those at the very top and those st the very bottom of the pay scale. Others don't get anything.

Ok is this website actual fact or just some interpretation of it? I work as a SBM and we certainly haven't had any actual figures from the government yet.
Secondly have you looked at how these figures are worked out? The biggest problem we have with our budget is funding the increases in pension contributions for staff. Usually MN is very critical of us public sector workers and our 'gold plated' pensions. You can't have itboth ways!

Sixisthemagicnumber

Ah yes, the "real world".
A place where companies post record profits and pay their staff as little as possible, but then say that they have to pay the CEO large amounts of money and bonuses otherwise they wouldn't get the best.

Yet paying for the best doesn't filter down to schools and teachers.