New £23k Benefit Cap.

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AIBU to ask if anyone still supports this?

Which families is this targeted at?

Anyone who will be affected, is it even feasible to not be pushed into debt?

This is sobering reading

mobile.gingerbread.org.uk/news/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=48

Portia my love, I read your posts and learn so much from your links.

I fear that whilst there are posters who believe that there are positives to the children being taken into care, you are fighting a losing battle trying to inform.
Thank you and the others on here who have tried their best to make others see the issues.

I will be back later this evening to catch up, off to work now.

"I don't think the previous, more generous welfare state did these children any favours"

It kept most them more or less adequately fed, clothed and housed within their own communities.

"Riding their cycles in the streets in packs, blocking traffic, swearing, making life miserable for shopkeepers, smoking, etc. "

And how will the benefits cap work to improve the behaviour and values of these families?

"that people are forced into work"

There is not enough work for everyone and some people are UNEMPLOYABLE.

PortiaCastis Tue 08-Nov-16 15:04:43
Museum of curry What are you doing that you can monitor people day after day?

Thats funny Portia, because I was going to ask you a similar question - who has time to read SO MUCH, and post countless links, then you did it again. I congratulate you on having to time to read up on the subject.

Wow Jake I can't believe you would suggest pp shouldn't have a child if she knew about the dad's disabilities prior! Some people with disabilities will be on benefits their whole life, yet will make excellent parents. The idea they should never have children sounds alot like eugenics

Thank you gilly It's a shame that people would rather stereotype than research but hey ho nobody knows what's around the corner. I didn't foresee my marriage breaking up and doubt most people do.

Benefits bashing tv has a !ot to answer for with their adverts for cash and fame. If anybody bothered to take note a girl on one of those programmes had three different hair styles of varying lengths over a few weeks and I doubt they were wigs. That said to me those programmes were made and edited over a long period of time..
Edited to make people look down on others with success, and good viewing figures which of course means big bucks for the production company at human cost

It takes seconds to google something Museum and FYI as I'm self employed suffer with insomnia I did a lot of work from 4am onwards.

I am unaffected by the cap as I receive ESA (support group).

I am positively raking it in as a single mum of 2.

I receive, per month, in benefits:

£198 ESA
£138 CB
£468 CTC

My kids get free school meals, I don't get HB or free prescriptions.
(No HB as I don't have rent/mortgage to pay at the mo so don't need it).

I bring in a WHOPPING £9,648 per year in benefits!!!

Just because the cap is set at £20k/£23k, does not mean this is the amount that all claimants receive.

still think its too high, should be paid in food vouchers and fuck all else

Isn't this a charming post?

Can you honestly not see how offensive that is?

What about clothes? Shoes? Christmas and birthday presents? Haircuts? Furniture? Beds? Bedding?

Or are you genuinely saying that the children of parents on benefits should be FED and nothing else?

still think its too high, should be paid in food vouchers and fuck all else

What about gas, electric, rent, council tax, water? Presents. Clothes. Travel (eg a bus ticket?) TV license or should poor children play with a stick in the street?

Does this only apply to the children of unemployed parents? Or does it include those on a low wage and top up benefits?

Are my children allowed to continue their extra curricular activities? I couldn't pay for them with vouchers. Although I could use my wages for that I guess.

If it means you're unable to provide then no, you shouldn't have children.
So, to be disabled and unable to work means you shouldn't have children. That's called eugenics.

it is a difficult one

I have worked all my life and have now found myself in a position where I need to claim benefits. We get tax credits and I have started a claim for ESA as I have been suffering from depression. I also have a child who has a chromosome issue and who I will also be claiming DLA for, as due to her illness and several hospital appointments per month, alongside my own illness, prevents me from working at the minute.

The system is frustrating though - I do have a friend who has 5 kids by 4 different fathers and she doesn't work because by the time she factors in childcare, it doesn't pay her to work.

I am grateful that we have the benefits system to help my family at this hard time, but there are definitely those who take advantage of the system and they are the problem

Portia do you think that employed people are so busy they don't have time to observe the patterns of their neighbourhoods?

I work in software QA, anyway, since you asked.

If it means you're unable to provide then no, you shouldn't have children.

I think what Jake means is if the parent's disability is such that that are going to struggle to provide for their child/ren, and then have to rely on benefits, and then find the benefits aren't enough, then perhaps the parents have a duty to consider this before starting a family - the same as non-disabled parents should do.

Jake disabled people unable to work should not be denied the chance to have a child. The state absolutely should support those families to a decent standard of living.

I'm saying the decision to have children or not isn't down to your own genetics but your ability to provide for them.

Do you have children BabyJake?

How do you afford them?
Can you provide for them?
How old are you?
What is your annual income?
How many hours do you work a week?

You do realise don't you, that many, many people (most) have children when they are young, fit, able.
Working ft & earning enough (or more than 'enough') to provide for/afford them.
...and then an illness/an accident/a marriage breakdown or any number of unforeseen & unexpected life event curveballs come along & blindside you....

What then?

I genuinely think they should be paid out in food vouchers and fuck all else.
Hi IDS Welcome to Mumsnet. .
Oh just one small detail. What about gas water electricity phone internet travel ect.
And don't bore me to death with the. I work hard for what I've got. I'm not interested. So do I. However I count myself as fortunate. Not better that others.

*"Riding their cycles in the streets in packs, blocking traffic, swearing, making life miserable for shopkeepers, smoking, etc. "

And how will the benefits cap work to improve the behaviour and values of these families?

I'm not sure it will, mini. I don't have endless enthusiasm for benefits cuts, to be honest. Rather, I was pointing out that the welfare state has distorted work/childbearing choices, in turn creating a lot of pretty sub-standard childhoods.

Does / can your husband work? Has his situation changed since your son was born or is it pre-existing?

It's a complicated situation. He can't work no. I have made some decisions which I might not have made without the security of benefits I admit which I am trying to put right now. Child with sn is from my first marriage, circumstances were different when we had ours together.

I understand why people get upset at the thought of them working all the hours god sends and can only afford one child when other people on benefits have been supported while they have more. It does need to change but capping everyone without a thought to their personal circumstances seems a horrible way of doing it.

Making work pay more seems a better idea than making benefits lower.

Thank you Dawn & And for backing up my point

Lots of people with disabilities will never be able to work (&I say this as someone with multiple disabilities, children with multiple disabilities I am a carer for, & I have allways worked-but I know not everyone can) yet have a great deal to offer a child. They will require state support to a fair standard but will give back so much more by raising wounderfull children (who will hopefully be the missing compassion in this country).