New £23k Benefit Cap.

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AIBU to ask if anyone still supports this?

Which families is this targeted at?

Anyone who will be affected, is it even feasible to not be pushed into debt?

"so why shouldn't those who can't find work at the end of their road?"

Yes - those with no financial support or resources should leave their communities, maybe pack their meagre belongings onto hand drawn carts or into shopping trollies (they can't afford to pay for a van to move their things), and step out on foot with their families to find cheap housing maybe they should live in tents

Christ we are heading backwards at a rate of knots.

But in the plus side, we have a lot more millionaires now in the U.K.!

Well said Cannot

Minifingerz

And? If I want something and I don't have the money I don't get it. Simple.

I know a lot of people on benefits who had kids young and never worked a day in their lives. They shouldn't have had the children. Birth control is free on the NHS.

I don't know a single elderly person that has never worked a day in their lives at some point or not contributed to the economy in some way because they lived on benefits.

Minifingerz

Also I'm not saying that people already in the situation of living on benefits with kids should have them taken away to be 'rid of' I'm just saying from now on they should have no more kids. People who don't have kids and can't afford to have them should not have them from now on.

Those already in the situation as I said I think should have their benefits, in part, in food vouchers etc.

human rights??? No-one is saying you can't have kids. Just don't expect strangers to pay for them.

This country is massively over-populated, discouraging people from having children can only be a good thing. And no, I don't have children before anyone asks.

Mini So you are saying people who are worse off as a result of the shouldn't make any effort to look or work?

"Which also solves overpopulation problems. I'm so glad that the thread's found a solution"

Not a humane solution, but a solution all the same.

Stopping squandering cash on pensioners would also help.

They're the biggest fucking drain on our resources. Far more so than families. And the meagre tax they paid in their lifetime - that went paying for their children's free university education and their multiple hip replacements.

Not read the full thread, but this caught my eye. The WRAG part of ESA is reducing, but if you are in the Support group, you are exempt from the benefits cap, regardless of whether you are awarded PIP or DLA

I'm only on page 8 of this thread but before I forgot I wanted to post something related to this.

The gov is currently consulting on removing the protections those placed in the support group have.

They want to give them the same sanction and conditionality that everybody else has.
The consultation ends in feb

As I told my Tory mp representative when he phoned me pre election asking what i thought about benefit caps and people 'who did not want to work': "why punish the majority for the sins of the minority"?
In any compassionate system there will be a MINORITY who will abuse it but you have to accept that for the greater good of the majority who need the support. If not the majority suffer.

I still can't wrap my head around people moaning about being given 'just' £23k for doing precisely Fuck All. The average working person doesn't earn that. It could be half that & I still wouldn't get it.

There are a lot of people in the system being supported by child related tax credits, fine, a good thing.
What happens to the women when the children become adults?
How will they manage on, what will be a cliff edge reduction of income from benefits?
This will filter through pretty soon as tax credits were really only ramped up around 2003, and these supported children will be nearing school leaving age.

Mini Thanks for repeating BabyJake's line I'm so glad that the thread's found a solution - I missed that

Why would it out you really unless you have unique or special circumstances. Which would indicate that it probably isn't really possible for a lot of other families.

Anyway the cap is just that, a cap. It isn't a case of handing out £23k to every family who needs it. It's just saying that the most you can get, after all the means testing is )23k. So some families will only be eligible for less than £23k and the cap means nothing as there isn't one cap

The £23k is the highest cap.

On a tangent, a number of 'hard working' posters on this thread have mentioned that they & their partner 'work hard, full time' and bring in under the cap amount.

So 2 adults working full time are bringing in under £20k??

The maths is definitely not adding up for me.
2 X adults working full time (37 hrs per week) on minimum wage would bring in c£27,705 per annum (that's not including CB & any WTC, childcare cost help etc).

If you are part of one of these 'hard working, full time' couples who are bringing in less than £20k total (including CB, WTC etc) then I would suggest that you speak to your employer re paying you the minimum wage.

What happens to the women when the children become adults?

Erm...they could get a job?

Ha well spotted Mango

NathanBarleyrocks That's the way to go then.

There aren't any apparently?

"So what do you suggest? That starving kids and leaving them cold, hungry and without basic provisions is the way to go"

Yes - this is where we are as a culture. This is horrendous. I loathe people who can work but choose to live of the state but the idea that their children may suffer is heartbreaking and is the only reason I am against these cuts.

Believeitornot, it would appear that there's some artistic license being deployed

These 'hard working people' are either not working full-time after all, or are being very liberal with the truth.

Mango I assume that is after tax, deductions pension contributions.

I suggest people educated themselves on the cap.

My understanding is, the way it works, is all of your benefits are added up.

If you live in greater london, and you are single, the most you can get is £15k a year. Outside of London it is £13k.

For all other circumstances (children etc), it is £19k outside London and £23k in London.

So the £23k only applies to those who are living in greater London.

That sounds all lovely on the face of it.

However people are in the situation where they are paying high private rents (social housing sold off remember) and all of a sudden the cut comes in. They have to find £100 a week because things have been cut to fit in the cap.

These are the families that are fucked.

Do some reading and find real stories instead of talking about theoreticals. It's people suddenly having the rug pulled away.

Why do you think we have more food banks? For fun?

Thatgingerone re never met a pensioner who has not worked: you have not met my friend then?- went to university, got degree, married straight after graduation and had 1st child 10 months later. Did not work after marriage due to being pregnant and never worked subsequently.
Now a widow on a full state pension. Women not working after marriage was very common in 1950s/60s and they relied on husband for pension etc.

BabyJakeHatersClub so poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed? wonder where I've heard that idea before...