New £23k Benefit Cap.

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AIBU to ask if anyone still supports this?

Which families is this targeted at?

Anyone who will be affected, is it even feasible to not be pushed into debt?

helena

They would be 'dripping with misogyny'. Sheldon Cooper, famed supporter of all women and practitioner of empathy and understanding, 'rules'

*11k after housing costs is just existing 

That is £916 a month. How much bloody money is needed a month if nearly a grand in cash and tax free is merely existing?*

£8000 a year outside of London £6600 a year after council tax.

£667 a month...
£30 water
£70 gas and electric
£12 tv license
£30 phone/internet which you need to search for work.
£40 car insurance/bus fares

After all of this people will have a mere £485 a month, or just over £100 a week, to feed, clothe, pay for school trips, pay for hair cuts etc for a family of 5/6 based on 3 bedroom house. How is that even workable?

JW35, there's no benefit to society to pay people to have children they can't afford. It's not just the benefit cost, there's the pupil premium that schools need to try and catch the child up with their peers and the chances of a child with none working parents going on to work are slim as they won't have had the example of a work ethic.

People should be free to chose not to work but it should be at their own expense never the states.

MadZ perfectly put.

Especially since I'm on gin 2.

People with 4 month old babies go back to work all the time! Those people upset by the benefits cap please tell me what you think would happen if every woman with small children stayed at home and claimed benefits - where really would the money come from to resource this?

Fruit They did say after housing costs

brasty I live in a very rural part of the country. The local NHS is a very small and limited hospital and no, they do not cover those illnesses anymore due to cuts to services. People with them must go elsewhere, something I and others as well, due to disabilities cannot do (hospital transport isn't an option due to the amount of time needed each way, plus treatment and impact on my conditions). Physio is four weeks maximum then you pay, mental health care is severely restricted to those very severely disabled with mental illness on meds, they don't do therapy apart from six weeks of generalised CBT.

Your local NHS very likely provides services mine does not, it doesn't mean that mine does.

I have been assessed as having needs. I have zero savings. However, I've been told in writing I must pay for care needs. I cannot afford a solicitor to challenge this, so yes, they might legally have a duty but I have no way to legally enforce it for free. There's no CAB or other free advice centre here.

I do not enjoy being smelly and mocked for it and if I had a choice or the income necessary would not be.

But a mother with a 4 month old baby should not have to go back to work yet. I am a bit taken aback that on mums net others are saying to a woman with a 4 month old baby, just to go back to work.

It's only within the last few years that maternity leave & pay has increased to the current length.

When I had my eldest in 2002, it was 16 or 18 weeks SMP/maternity leave iirc.
4 months.

Plenty of others on mn have no doubt done the same, so it's not that an outrageous a concept.

That said, I don't think anyone was telling the poster with a 4 month old baby to get out to work - rather that they were aghast that the very idea of putting her children in childcare was so shocking a suggestion for her.

Please explain why it is 'up to the woman' and why this shite is still being peddled in 2016? You're saying men can just abdicate from all responsibility, then? "Should have kept my legs closed, etc".

bratsy

www.gov.uk/apply-free-school-meals

People should be free to chose not to work but it should be at their own expense never the states.

This x 100.

I would much rather not work and stay at home to look after my children instead. But that wouldn't pay the bills, so I can't!

Fruit They did say after housing costs

But that figure is only after rent. Not all housing costs....

lego. I'm pretty disappointed actually, as there is one poster on here who has previously PM'd me about my 'lazy, drug addicted twat of an ex' and yet has posted disparaging comments about single mothers. So a bit two faced....

16 hours a week work would be good if you can get it within regular hours

The 30 hours childcare doesn't exist yet and wont for awhile

Its like trying to run before you can walk we have no part time jobs limited childcare yet we are removing the safety net early so people struggle it wouldn't be too hard to encourage business to use regular part time workers instead of zero hours which is no good for single parents with no back up

This will effect a lot of children and not in a good way

I am sorry to hear you can't afford hospital transport costs.
Where I live CBT is limited to 6 weeks and physio to 2 sessions, so no, we don't get more. I have a disability where I need to do physio every day. I have done this for years by myself. The two physio sessions were just to teach it and check you are doing it properly.

Frankly CBT is not that useful for anyone with severe mental health problems anyway. Mental health has always been the cinderella service. And has always been treated largely with drugs. Not right, but I don't see any change, and actually it was worse in the past. I have a family member with severe long standing mental health problems, and used to care for them.

I know services are far from ideal. But maybe you would be better paying for transport to the hospital rather than for private medical care?

The Local Authority assessment you talk about - you can be assessed as having need, but still not get it funded. That does not mean your Local Authority does not fund carers, they legally have to. It simply mean you do not meet the criteria. Most Local Authorities only fund carers for the most severely disabled. If you can wash with wet wipes for example, you usually won't get funded. Those I know who do get funded carers are those who can not get out of bed, and would lie in bed and starve to death without carers coming in. The carers only provide enough to keep people alive. It is very basic provision.

So much indignation .

Sheldon , do you work at being a cunt or does it come naturally ?

Thanks to the person who posted the link for free school meals. I thought wrongly you could only get them if you were unemployed. Going to apply now, so much appreciated.

It was me bratsy glad to have been of help

After all of this people will have a mere £485 a month, or just over £100 a week, to feed, clothe, pay for school trips, pay for hair cuts etc for a family of 5/6 based on 3 bedroom house. How is that even workable?

Sounds like most people I know who are working for their money.

Why should people on benefits be given more?

This is how I see. If someone receives benefits then the money should cover the essentials. No holidays, nights out, theme parks etc. I work full time and my wages after tax get us by.

Yep that's why we have foodbanks

It is doable, although tight. Of course it is very far from luxury.
The real issue is sanctions, and that is what drives many to food banks. They should be scrapped.

FFS
JSA is £70 per week

There are arguments for both sides that i accept, but for me it comes down to the economy. If you give extra money to the poor, they will spend it because they have to, that means there is more money in the economy in general.

Ultimately money travels up, not down so you can't lose by boosting the income of the poor (up to a certain point anyway). Cutting the income of the poor hurts all of us.

brasty it's hundreds of pounds for a transport to hospital treatment, plus overnight stays on the way, far more expensive than paying privately. I need the physio because of the nature of my conditions, I too do exercises every day. I can't wash at all, (various reasons for that) I got marked as highest need but was told to pay. There were services but they all had a cost which on my income isn't possible. I know I'm far from the greatest need or deserving but just a bit of help would reduce the abuse I get.

I think I misunderstood your post, for which I apologise, I'm not really well enough for this thread or type of discussion right now.