To think the right wing tabloids have gone too far?

[Mistigri]

Reactions of the Mail, Express and Sun to yesterday's court decision on brexit:

The Mail's front page has a picture of the three high court judges with the headline "Enemies of the people". One judge is criticised for being "openly gay".

The Express says this is the UK's greatest crisis since the Second World War.

The Sun (proprietor: R Murdoch) takes to task the "foreign elites" who brought the case. Because their readers are less likely to approve of attacks on white pensioners (the other claimant), they focus their attack on the non-white woman claimant.

The Mail is the most problematic IMO; attacking the judiciary is another step on the road to facism.

How can we have any reasonable political debate in this environment?

And when we have a ruling on it (and May's appeal is done) the country can carry out Brexit by the procedure that corresponds with the law of the land.

Isn't that what you want?

Indeed, upon reflection I find it even more remarkable that a former left leaning section editor posted this

ohhh am getting a totally different idea of someone here, wow - someones feathers are really ruffled are they not!

Werkz I love your posts when you have the time to post. Thank you. I have not agreed with them all but you make a lot of sense and you have said some really really key things on this thread.

People need to learn about sovereignty.

Particularly if they claim to have voted for it.

Why do I get the feeling that when a Brexiter comes to to the table for discussions on Europe, I think I'm behind that person in the queue at the checkout who has just bought a huge amount of shopping and then spends ages paying for it, because it takes so long for them to get the money or the card out!

We are checking out of Europe. Calm the feck down!

These are all really basic things, people really have no clue about democracy, do they?

Urrghhhh, its easy to say this now the ruling - the decision has gone this way. Maybe the appeal wont.

Its not even the final ruling its the point this is what we do - we discuss things here, thats the crux not the ruling, It may be upheld it may be over turned!
We are free to discuss it.

There is no way, no way May is going to push Article 50 through without discussing it with Parliament first. I don't live in Russia. I live in a democracy! I want the elected MPs to debate it. I want this to go to the HOL. That is true democracy.

But autumn I don't mean the ruling is basic, I mean that there seem to be a lot of people who really don't understand
a) what type of democracy we have in the UK (representative, not direct, or what those 2 things mean)
b) what they were voting for
c) that the referendum was advisory and not legally binding
d) what sovereignty means and where it resides in the UK (with parliament, not Europe OR Teresa May via the royal perogative.
I think if there is a referendum on something as complex as brexit people SHOULD know all of that. If they don't then they shouldn't vote or it should never be asked of them.

The legal action was brought to halt Brexit negotiations. No matter how much obfuscation sourounds the language, that was the purpose and anyone not believing that is a naive or a liar.

If it was to give parliament a say in when A50 is triggered and legislate in matters around Brexit (and in many cases to confound the gov) why did MPs vote 6 to 1 in favour of a referendum? Were they so sure of the remain vote they took a gamble?

What good will it do to delay matters and give away our negotiating hand by making them public?

The court case may have supported the letter of the law but not the spirit of the law if you believe that in a legal referendum a majority has voted to leave but the end result is they get more of the same if MPs decided their 6 to 1 decision was just a bit of window dressing after all.

We live in interesting times!

Agreed. And I did not know what to do but the answer is obvious: BOYCOTT. Not the papers (urgh!) but the companies that advertise in them.

Facebook - look up /stopfundinghate/

So a quick look at the DM: Iceland, Lego and DFS.

Easy enough. More names to follow when I can bear to touch the DM again.

And the right wing press has been inciting mob rule from the beginning.
A racist, zenophobic, homophobic attack on the judiciary (who represent the rule of law in Britain) for saying that it is the democratically elected representatives of the people whose duty it is to take decisions that need to be made on the basis of a public consultation is very very dangerous indeed.

give away our negotiating hand by making them public?

What's our secret hand?

TheElements

We've got a hand?

Completely agree OP.

Please submit a complaint via IPSO - links on prev pages.

Completely agree with other posters re parliamentary system, outrageous Mail headlines. How can they get away with printing today's headline. The truckers one I lodged a complaint with ad in my mind it was inciting racial hatred.

Just appalled by what it happening in our country

Gina Miller has consistently said it's not about overturning the Referendum decision.

In US a Tv presenter has received lots of hate messages, her name is Gina Miller.

We are leaving the EU. Even if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling.

Bitof Shhhh. It's so secret that nobody knows what it is. Not even the PM and the Three Brexiteers.

What's our secret hand?

Nobody knows, it's a secret.

A bit like nobody knows what Brexit means.

Might have something to do with scrambled eggs.

TheElements Secret hand (as such) is getting on with the matter that received a majority vote, with some dignity and less in-fighting.

All the drama, backbiting, delaying of A50 etc means that as and when it is triggered our internal problems have been played out on a world stage, so it would be harder to be taken seriously.

I believe the aftermath of Brexit in terms of what we can negotiate, what we can be taken seriously on again, is possibly more damaging than actual Brexit would potentially be.

How many fingers does our hand have?

Secret hand (as such) is getting on with the matter

That's not a hand. Nor is it a secret.

I think the is secret hand is waving two fingers at us.

YANBU.

It's just a short hop, skip and jump from the Mail's position to outright descent into fascism.

Fascism is the point where a powerful leader of a party can just remove everyone's legal rights and members of the judiciary at will. It's a knife edge and on the other side there is a huge descent into a pit of slurry. In which no citizen has any rights and there is no such thing as the rule of law.

I recommend reading Sebastian Haffner's book Defying Hitler. It describes the author's youth growing up under Hitler (as a German aristocrat). Probably the most chilling passage is the one where he describes the moment the Nazi thugs walk into the law courts and randomly arrest/beat up judges and layers at will - where violence and thuggery triumph over the rule of law.

The Daily Mail's comments are the verbal equivalent of that.

They bring shame on our democracy, on our Parliament, on all of us.

The hideous Trump virus - of it suddenly being regarded as acceptable or refreshing or worse, a sign of moral virtue for someone to spout racist, misogynist crap - seems to be spreading across the Atlantic.

We need to hold it back. For all our sakes.

Olympia
Why did MPs vote 6 to 1 for a referendum they knew was not binding. Why didn't those same MPs amend the referendum Act to make it binding. They only needed to add a few sentences to make it binding as was done with the referendum on the alternative vote. Funny how they chose not too

Were they so sure of the remain vote they took a gamble?

I think that's precisely what they did. Which is also why everyone was so clueless about the constitutional procedure and we're only sorting out such a key issue now.

Eejits.

Surely MPs of obviously Remain constituencies must be shitting themselves at being handed this poisoned chalice by the judiciary?

Either they DON'T support the Parliamentary vote for Leave, and get accused of betraying the overall will of the country; or they DO support it, and get accused of betraying the will of their constituents - whom they are supposed to represent in Parliament - and voted out at the next election.

The Elements hence the (as such). The phrase is not entirely appropriate but I understand the spirit of the phrase.

We are basically turning the crisis into a farce by playing out everything so obviously in front of the rest of the world, who we will, in all likelihood, eventually be trying to strike a deal with.