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AIBU?

To think the right wing tabloids have gone too far?

456 replies

Mistigri · 04/11/2016 06:08

Reactions of the Mail, Express and Sun to yesterday's court decision on brexit:

The Mail's front page has a picture of the three high court judges with the headline "Enemies of the people". One judge is criticised for being "openly gay".

The Express says this is the UK's greatest crisis since the Second World War.

The Sun (proprietor: R Murdoch) takes to task the "foreign elites" who brought the case. Because their readers are less likely to approve of attacks on white pensioners (the other claimant), they focus their attack on the non-white woman claimant.

The Mail is the most problematic IMO; attacking the judiciary is another step on the road to facism.

How can we have any reasonable political debate in this environment?

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 04/11/2016 07:19

Agree OP. I am agog at the headlines this morning. The use of the term "enemies of the people" makes me shudder... it makes me think of the Terror during the French Revolution and the purges in the Soviet Union, when it was used to execute people without trial. Hideous.

The damage those papers are inflicting on British society is HUGE. And all because of what?

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roundaboutthetown · 04/11/2016 07:20

Also a bit fucking hypocritical of the foreign elite who own our newspapers.

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Lilaclily · 04/11/2016 07:21

If you feel strongly please complain

www.ipso.co.uk/make-a-complaint/

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Peregrina · 04/11/2016 07:21

The reaction from the Mail is not at all surprising - this is the paper which openly supported Fascism in the 1930s.

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MrsHiddleston · 04/11/2016 07:22

The thing that annoys me most is that this should have been resolved before the referendum and that the government shouldn't have faffed about and instead got the process started immediately after the referendum. I haven't read the daily mail though, and don't intend to.

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Alfieisnoisy · 04/11/2016 07:23

Regardless of your thoughts in Brexit...the headlines were disgusting. Being attacked for being "openly gay" because as a judge you came to a decision the newspaper proprietor didn't like. Appalling.

I have lost all enthusiasm for the Brexit thing....I voted Remain but as we voted narrowly for Brexit I accept that. I am sick to death of the whole thing now, however others feel differently and that's why this case was brought.

My only theoughts are that too many people didn't actually know what they were voting for and couldn't give a rational argument about it if they tried (both sides ). That's why we elect MPs...too bad they abdicated all responsibility.

So we now have the current situation and disgusting newspaper headlines.

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HardcoreLadyType · 04/11/2016 07:27

I'm absolutely gobsmacked at the utter stupidity of the whole process.

In Australia, some years ago, there was a referendum for Australia to become a republic, so that our head of state would be a president rather than the queen. This was set by a government which wanted us to be a republic, but by the time the actual referendum came around, the government in power was more pro-monarchy.

So, the pro-monarchy government set about putting together a plan for the republic that was unpopular, and that even most republicans wouldn't want to vote for. Of course, the referendum was won by the pro-monarchy lot.

(I am a republican, but can appreciate the clever political manoeuvring of the other side.)

I am amazed that the UK government didn't do something similar. That is, give people a choice between the status quo and an actual plan for something altogether unpalatable.

I guess it was just down to David Cameron's arrogance, in the end. Pffft!

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MistressDeeCee · 04/11/2016 07:28

Its a ruling on a point of law. The judges were doing their job. That is it. The media hold so much sway, particularly the right wing media who now seem to shape the mindset of so many and be above the law. Foreign elites doesn't surprise me, racism and fascism is the order of the day they're great at whipping up a scapegoating frenzy

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Motheroffourdragons · 04/11/2016 07:30

I agree, Misti, I find the level to which some of these newspapers stoop on a daily basis very shocking.

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LineyReborn · 04/11/2016 07:32

One of the Supreme Court judges is being tradduced for being 'feminist' ffs. Oh string her up now. Crime of the fucking century.

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ThoraGruntwhistle · 04/11/2016 07:38

They are appalling. I'm quite amazed I can still be shocked by the depths they'll sink to, but here we are.

Stirring up unrest about a purely legal point to inflame the feelings of people who don't really 'get' what the decision yesterday means is revolting and if it leads to riots they should be held entirely responsible. They have the opportunity to explain that this hasn't overturned the referendum result, but instead they'd rather make out that 'democracy is dead' and 'the will of the people is being ignored' Angry

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ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 04/11/2016 07:41

It's a disgrace, I'm horrified.
YANBu.

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Cosmiccreepers203 · 04/11/2016 07:41

Doob Your post x100

16 million people need to have their voices heard too. This thing is an utter, embarrassing mess. We look like twats to the rest of the world.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 04/11/2016 07:43

The headlines are disgusting, they are the same papers that have stirred up anti immigration propaganda and have a vile misogynist agenda, but people keep buying them. I think people who buy these rags know exactly what they are signing up for. Very ugly indeed.

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bestcatintheworld · 04/11/2016 07:45

If you feel strongly please complain

//www.ipso.co.uk/make-a-complaint/

I have, and I would urge others to please follow suit.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 04/11/2016 07:46

16 million people need to have their voices heard too.

Too bloody right. There are 64 million people in the UK, young adults who weren't given the vote. Why should there future be decided by a minority of people?

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iwanttoridemybicycle · 04/11/2016 07:46

Lila, thanks for the link. I will be complaining later today. Have had enough of the daily Fail and it's brainwashing of people who mistake it for fact and don't think to look elsewhere. My parents are brainwashed by it.

I agree that Politics should be taught in secondary schools. I discuss what's happening with my 13 and 12 year old frequently and tell them they must seek a wide range of news and opinions and not just rely on one source as fact.

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Dozer · 04/11/2016 07:49

The press complaints thing is really difficult IMO: you have to have links to artlicles and explain why publications are breaching specific things in the Editor's Code.

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birdybirdywoofwoof · 04/11/2016 07:50

I agree- but I've always wondered if it's not only that the papers are setting the agenda but also the papers are reflecting back what the people want to hear..

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WifeofDarth · 04/11/2016 07:51

YANBU. This is not about Brexit, it's about how democracy really works and I am dismayed at how the tabloids are misinterpreting this to manipulate their readers with no respect for the facts.
Getting personal about the judges is shockingly low.
Am going to watch fireworks tomorrow night celebrating the preservation of Parliament's powers.

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allegretto · 04/11/2016 07:54

It's really shocking. Regardless of whether you want Brexit, this is a call to by-pass British law and just hand power to the government. Sounds like a call for fascism! Really scary.

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LineyReborn · 04/11/2016 07:54

It's become a deranged dialectic. When you have (eg) the idiots on Loose Women spouting rhetoric they've lifted from the Daily Mail being then quoted as having said something 'no holds barred' in the Mail Online, it's pretty grim.

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sussexman · 04/11/2016 07:54

For those saying we voted to leave, so we should leave. That isn't what yesterday was about. It was simply about whether the government had the power to leave - and in the process repeal hundreds of laws - without parliamentary scrutiny. Of course, we should leave (even those of us who don't want to accept that that was the outcome and the promise was that the referendum would be binding), that doesn't mean the government can just rule by backroom deals and vague public platitudes "brexit means brexit" etc.

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Dozer · 04/11/2016 07:57

I still don't accept we should leave.

But if we do leave it should be done consistently with our Parliamentary democracy.

Not impressed with TM and her team for seeking to undermine that.

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okok · 04/11/2016 07:58

Just registering my agreement with OP. We can't possibly know whether brexit or remain is the correct move for the country - but it is this over-simplistic rabble rousing analysis (or lack of analysis) .. over schooled and under educated innit.

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