To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

[TheElementsSong]

If you are happy with the situation, could you tell us why?

Based on the posts on this thread so far, it appears that the happiness is based on having absolutely no idea what the future holds, but simply having faith that it will all turn out great in the long run.

The happiness is, however, incomplete - people keep starting all these threads that don't contain wall-to-wall praise and rejoicing, which it is apparently compulsory to click on!

[Valentine2]

brexit
Two of you points are rather easy for me to challenge:

1. "N issan have said they will continue to build cars in Sunderland." They are offered (one hell of a lot money) to stay. Where is that money coming from?
   

1. " cancer research specialist said he had been stopped by the eu. I did post a link on another thread."
   

EU is going to support the money for that kind of research only if there a surety that the lab will be there once one scientist is gone on somewhere else and someone equally qualified comes along (from all over Europe as its Europe's money and as we really do need to exchange and use talent from across Europe to compete US and China and India). This needs to be assured for a good ten years at least. At the very least five years roughly because that is the time it takes for a proper serious scientific question to be answered in cancer research for example (it will still be one question only but that's why science is increasingly collaborative).

[Bearbehind]

brexit I don't need to 'pick' holes in you arguments- they have more holes than a Swiss cheese.

Banks leaving. Proved not to be the case.

Proved not to be the case by whom- links please.

Manufacturers leaving. Nissan have said they will continue to build cars in Sunderland.

The will be making a decision next month on building the Qashqai here, they haven't guaranteed they will stay at all

Weak pound has improved exports.

We are a net importing country so the benefit in exporting is outweighed by the additional cost of imports and that's before taking into account the fact inputs into exports will increase in cost imminently.

[user1471448556]

On a personal front, also gutted that our kids won't be able to do their degrees in EU now. We were thinking of the Netherlands as it would have been a lot cheaper than tuition fees here and they would have had the experience of living abroad, but after leaving the fees will be as much if not more than here. Plans to semi-retire in Italy also scuppered unless we suddenly come into a lot of money what with the weak pound and all. But these are pretty trivial compared to what I see as the outcome for the UK in general. Lack of investment, fewer jobs, less money generated in tax receipts, poor international reputation, little manufacturing that doesn't rely on importing raw materials so also not great. we will all be a lot poorer with fewer opportunities and our public services will be massively underfunded. And we'll be stuck here as holidays will be too expensive and moving abroad will be tricky. Can anyone give me some good news to alleviate the angst?

[BoinkAlongQuietly]

No, not happy at all.

But very glad we can leave if we went to.

It's shit. The weakening pound is painful.

[BoinkAlongQuietly]

I mean glad that my family can leave the UK if we want to.

[GraceGrape]

IME, the people who are happy about the way things are going are:
a) older and think the vote is going to turn back the clock 50 years to when they were young (forgetting about all the bad things from those times, of course)
b) wealthy enough to be unaffected by any negative impact on the economy
or c) consider the discussion of the debate about the EU to have concluded on 24th June and have paid no attention to what is going on since then. (This group represent most people I know, both leave and remain voters.)

Personally, I can't understand why anyone would be happy about what's happening to the economy, regardless of their political views, particularly those with children or grandchildren due to enter the workforce in the next decade or so.

[Bananagio]

I am not sure what all these threads villifying leave voters are actually for, or why you can't keep them in the Brexit area
OMG this attitude is driving me insane. 95% of threads on Aibu and chat hold no interest for me so do you know what I do? I Don't Open Them. Revolutionary I know but so easy. And therefore the many people who do want to post on those threads do so in peace without me coming on as the thread police telling them for example that they should be posting in relationships if they are ranting about their OH. Or that they should get a grip and move on while totally ignoring their personal experience as to how the situation is affecting them. This infantile approach to attempt to shut down discussion on the direction of Brexit is beyond pathetic. Leavers if the existence of these threads in clear view upsets you so much after you have "won" then may I suggest you ignore them if you don't want to engage and dare I say it..."move on"?

[SallyMcgally]

Where is it proved that banks won't relocate? The British Bankers Association think that they will: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37743700
I'm not going to post again the numerous sources I gave on the previous thread re. 'brain drain' and the devastating impact on research environments that Brexit is already having. It should be enough to point out that the Nobel prize winners think it is going to have so terrible an impact on British research that one of them is planning to renounce British citizenship if it goes ahead.
Weak pound may have improved exports, but is already affecting cost of living because of the cost of imports.

[cardibach]

Mumzy I've asked you the same (polite) question twice. Hardly haranguing. You haven't even seen my name enough to soell it correctly...
Fine if you don't want to answer it, of course you shouldn't feel you have to. I may draw my own conclusion about that decision though.
Please don't accuse me of haranguing or other unpleasant behaviour again.

[skyfullofstars010708]

Hear hear Bananagio

[caroldecker]

I thought all the British Nobel winners were based in the USA?

[skyfullofstars010708]

I'm still utterly baffled that such a slim majority vote result has been accepted as the outcome. I truly don't understand this. For something that has such massive potentially catastrophic ramifications why is a 2% difference allowed to call it?
This is a serious question, I'm reading as much as I can on the subject but my political knowledge isn't great. I'm expanding my knowledge as much as I can. As a leave voter I remain unable to comprehend why so people (including some of my family) voted leave. Utter madness.

[skyfullofstars010708]

Clearly that should say as a REMAIN voter
(Sorry, sleep deprived)

[refusetobeasheep]

Perfectly happy. Plunging pound has made our company highly competitive, has been a very good time to convert our usd to gbp. Hoping they'll go for 10 per cent corporation tax, in which case will expand and employ yet more people. This is the time for true entrepreneurs to step up.

[IonaNE]

Valentine2 , your DH is right. Move, if you can.
Me, I'm not too bothered: no DC and I have dual nationality, the other being in the EU. Staying in the UK for now, will leave if that becomes more beneficial.

[autumnintheair]

Yes I am very happy.

When I read about the sheer chaos of this
www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/24/belgium-eu-ultimatum-canada-trade-deal-ceta-wallonia

I breathe a sigh of relief we will not be subject to this in the future. The world is facing tough times and will do for decades, i believe its best for us - a strong Nation to be able to maneuver and position ourselves as we need too - without a small province within another country vetoing it!

The embarrassment - the farce!

[TheElementsSong]

I thought all the British Nobel winners were based in the USA?

Your point being?

Is it - well they're not in the EU therefore that shows they don't support EU science either, ergo the EU is shit, nyer nyer nyer?

[autumnintheair]

This is a serious question, I'm reading as much as I can on the subject but my political knowledge isn't great

Ahh, I see. I studied Politics at University, obviously a broad subject but enough for me to feel increasingly un easy about Juncker and Brussels etc.

[user1471448556]

I feel more uneasy about May and co., having studied the Weimar Republic and what followed during my university degree.

[autumnintheair]

grace what a strange convoluted list you have proffered there

This clearly is not the correct thread for me but

a) My Mad socialist Jeremy Corbyn loving Father, my highly intellectual Father voted out - and to say he did it for a return to the 50's, you must be bonkers!

b) Very wealthy friends who are remainers are very upset they may loose a single penny from Brexit fall out - they were more worried about their wealth and money than anything else. Who needs political freedom when your rich and above what many of us have to live with - after all?

c) I don't understand, its hardly great news coming from the EU is it? Great a 7 years in the making trade deal is about to fall apart because of the needs and worries of a small province? Aside from everything else thats rotten in that state....

[MagikarpetRide]

Ah we're back to 'you don't support Britain if you've dared broaden your field elsewhere' and some wilful misreading other's posts.

[SallyMcgally]

I thought all the British Nobel winners were based in the USA?
Duncan Haldane who got the prize for Physics had contemplated coming back to Britain from Princeton, but won't do so now because it's much more unlikely he could lead one of the huge £5m projects.
Sir Fraser Stoddart who won the prize for chemistry thinks that any young scientist in Britain now needs a plan B
www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/06/brexit-not-good-news-for-british-science-warn-new-nobel-laureates

Not sure why the fact that they're currently in USA changes anything?

[SallyMcgally]

Have just come across a letter signed in June by 10 Nobel Prize winners in Economics, telling us that they think we should - erm - remain. Bloody experts. Why can't they just wait and see along with all those who are sure that it will all turn out OK in the end: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/19/we-nobel-prize-winning-economists-believe-the-uk-is-better-off-in-the-eu

[SallyMcgally]

Even Theresa May thinks that banks and businesses will go, and that Brexit is very bad news for the economy:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit