To be fed up with vaping house guest.

[birdladyfromhomealone]

for background my friend and I both smoked, I gave up five years ago my friend 2 years ago but vapes instead.
She is now staying with me so I have been with her 24/7 for the last couple of weeks.
we dont work so atm spend all day together.
she vapes constantly, is always clutching it and blowing vape smoke over me, food, in my face constantly.
I HATE the smell, sickly sweet, it has made my house smell differently. I have hinted that I dont like it but she says its not smoking, harmless etc
I want her to leave I just cant stand it any longer.
not sure if it is a coincidence but I have a headache every day- does it cause headaches in other people.
Dont want to fall out with her over it but if she was smoking she wouldnt do it constantly in my home.

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

lots of people will die from using them

Dangerous bollocks.

and vapers should give up vaping

Where have PHE said this? What they have said is:

Encouraging smokers who cannot or do not want to stop smoking to switch to EC could be adopted as one of the key strategies to reduce smoking related disease and death.

and:

It may be important in this context to note that if the smoking-associated risk is removed, nicotine use by itself, outside pregnancy, carries little health risk and in fact conveys some benefits.

Then there's the lack of fucks given by NCSCT:

Don’t push people to come off their e-cigarette. Some practitioners feel it is important to get people off nicotine as soon as possible, but in fact longer-term e-cigarette use can be a protective factor against relapse back to smoking.

Don’t be alarmed about recreational nicotine. This is a choice some people make, and it is not the business of stop smoking services to make judgements about this. We are not a ‘stop nicotine service’ and if we think getting people off their e-cigarette is a good use of our time, we are ignoring a far more important opportunity to help people quit and to stay off cigarettes. Be open to their choices, and listen to them, especially when they say that they are doing really well with their e-cigarette.

Which is completely in line with NICE's Smoking: Harm Reduction guidance.

[TheNaze73]

YANBU, it's disgusting

[FurryDogMother]

What exactly is disgusting about it, TheNaze73 ?

[blaeberry]

plenty is e-cigarettes are only 95% safer then cigarettes (as quoted by pp) then 1/20th of people who are harmed by cigarettes will be harmed vaping - that is still a lot of people.

[AyeAmarok]

It is disgusting. It's so rude and inconsiderate to sit and blow vapour in someone's face or around them when they don't want it.

It smells too.

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

That doesn't follow, blaeberry. You are concentrating all the residual 5% harm onto 1/20 vapers and assuming that for those few people vaping will be as harmful as smoking.

The 5% residual harm is spread across all the vapers. It puts vaping in the same sort of risk category as any number of things we all do / eat / breathe every day, while thinking nothing of it.

Nothing is 100% safe. If it were, it still could not be proven to be 100% safe. That's simply not how science works. The 5% residual risk is hypothetical, BTW. No actual evidence of harm has been found at all. It's a cautious figure based on what ifs and maybes about the theoretical long-term risks, many of which can be removed or lessened as we discover more. Industry has been very responsive so far, e.g. removing aldehydes, developing temperature control.

I repeat, to say lots of people will die from vaping is dangerous bullshit.

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

blow vapour in someone's face

Bingo!

[AyeAmarok]

Whether people think it's safe or not, it's still extremely rude and inconsiderate to subject other people to it, especially when they've made it clear they don't like it.

[Jaxhog]

It doesn't matter what she thinks. It's your house - your rules.

PS. I hate the smell personally. And it DOES smell.

[BeyondReasonablyDoubts]

I am autistic and hyper hyper sensitive to smells, so big empathy for anyone who gets headaches from smells "that don't cause headaches"

I also vape. Outside unless specifically told otherwise. Cause I'm not fucking rude.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

It's on pg 13 of the guidelines for ecigs in the workplace that a poster linked to above.

Their advice is that smokers should switch to ecigs and ecig users should stop completely. They're a stepping stone not a permanent replacement

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

Do you mean this, Rafals? -

Our advice is for smokers to switch to e-cigarettes and for e-cigarette users to stop smoking completely.

You missed out a word between 'stop' and 'completely' in your paraphrase. As you may or may not know, lots of vapers carry on smoking as well (dual fuelling), at least for a while, on their pathway to quitting. Clearly what the above sentence means is that these vapers should stop smoking completely.

You haven't actually read these guidelines have you?

Try page 7, Key Principle no. 1 - Make clear the distinction between vaping and smoking which includes:

to avoid confusion, do not use smoking terminology when referring to e-cigarettes.

Do you really think an org as high profile as PHE would write a whole section on the importance of making clear the distinction between vaping and smoking (Key principle no. 1, no less) and then in the same document cock it up by writing 'smoking' when they meant 'vaping'? And nobody would have picked them up on this in the months since publication?

[Polkadotties]

My OH vapes. I have asked him not to do it in the house, he does it while I'm upstairs and thinks I don't know but I can hear the noise it makes.
He uses the menthol and cherry flavours and I hate the smell

[Polkadotties]

Also he is still breathing chemicals into his already smoking damaged lungs. I lost my Grampy to lung cancer caused by smoking and I am totally against the inhalation of anything. Grampy stopped smoking at least 20 years before he got lung cancer but the damage was already done.
OH didn't vape when we met, he was using the film strips that you let dissolve on your tongue. He said he didn't feel the need to use a vaper as he don't miss holding a cigarette. Went to a BBQ and his brother was vaping, next day OH bought a vaper

[FurryDogMother]

I've never blown vapour into anyone's face! Neither do I breathe into anyone's face - who does? I dislike the smell of some vaping liquids, but not all of them, just as I like some aftershaves and perfumes, but not all of them. Many people conflate their attitude to smoking with their attitude to vaping - and the two are very different things. Thank gawd Plenty has the energy and knowledge to redress the sheer nonsense some people are spouting on the topic.

Currently vaping lemon meringue pie and loving it :) All alone in a room at home, failing to disgust anyone.

[BeyondReasonablyDoubts]

Cherry bake well here. Every so often the freshmatic goes off and stinks out the room with chemicals for people to breathe. This one is weirdly socially acceptable though. Says a lot about it being people's attitude to smoking that is coming through here.

[harderandharder2breathe]

OP your friend is horribly rude! No one needs to vape constantly! Many places such as restaurants, public transport, workplaces etc don't allow vaping and she clearly can not vape constantly. It's not a bloody adult dummy!

Ignore the vaping issue, she's a very rude guest who doesn't care at all about your comfort. Not much of a friend really.

[WiddlinDiddlin]

I wonder how many here think vapers should all stop vaping completely and certainly shouldn't enjoy vaping..

and they drink.

I think alcohol is disgusting, it smells, it makes you smell (yes, it really does but you don't notice the sickly sweet pong of your breath after wine or the nasty sicky fart smell beer gives you)...

It turns you into annoying idiots or belligerent wankers or sobbing snotty messes.

It's bad for your liver and your brain.

Just stop, why would anyone want to drink, if you NEED to drink you have got a massive problem and are disgusting.


And yeah I don't drink so I clearly don't see why anyone else should enjoy it.

[birdladyfromhomealone]

Thank you for all the reply's.
My friend went to her other friends today a little earlier than planned.
We parted on good terms I think but my DH said I have been in a bad mood for the last week which he thought he bore the brunt of :(
I drove her the 15 miles there this morning and yes she vaped the whole way there in my car :(
Came home and changed her sheets and cleaned her bathroom and it does smell of her scent/vape noticeably.
We have talked about it most of the day and my DH thinks she is very ignorant and disrespectful so he says he would not have her stay again.
The funny thing is until last night when I brought it up with her after dinner last night,he nor I didnt know that we both felt the same way about it.
I asked her about vaping-is it safe? Why does it smell? Can it be like passive smoking?
She knew instantly I didn't want her vaping indoors and volunteered to go to her other friend earlier than planned, though it didnt stop her that night or this morning.
Left a post on my wall saying thanks for the holiday, food etc but ended it with shame it wasn't warmer so I could have gone outside!!!

[TirednessIsComing]

It's not exactly antarctic outside, that's a pa dig. Mind you she's been pretty shitily behaved by vaping inside when you arsed her not too. She's lucky she got a lift from you, you could gave stopped the car and told her to get out.

I would probably say something like 'glad you enjoyed yourself, surprised you found it too cold given its only autumn'

[TirednessIsComing]

No lovely if you came again. Makes it clear she out stayed her welcome with her behaviour

[witsender]

I know a fair few 'vapers' who never smoked.

[BreakfastAtSquiffanys]

Can you not get unscented vape liquids?

[hollinhurst84]

They're flavoured not scented. You could but I imagine it would taste vile

[LittleLionMansMummy]

Precisely Widdlin and I wonder how many tea and coffee drinkers would consider giving up drinking tea and coffee because caffeine is bad for you. They enjoy it, it does comparatively little harm - rather like vaping in fact - whereas more death, disease and injury is caused by alcohol, which is apparently more socially acceptable. I don't see vapers getting high on nicotine, going out and starting fights. Unless they're bun fights of course. On mn.

Good points also raised about perfumes, aftershaves and air fresheners. To me, those are on a par with vaping.