To be fed up with vaping house guest.

[birdladyfromhomealone]

for background my friend and I both smoked, I gave up five years ago my friend 2 years ago but vapes instead.
She is now staying with me so I have been with her 24/7 for the last couple of weeks.
we dont work so atm spend all day together.
she vapes constantly, is always clutching it and blowing vape smoke over me, food, in my face constantly.
I HATE the smell, sickly sweet, it has made my house smell differently. I have hinted that I dont like it but she says its not smoking, harmless etc
I want her to leave I just cant stand it any longer.
not sure if it is a coincidence but I have a headache every day- does it cause headaches in other people.
Dont want to fall out with her over it but if she was smoking she wouldnt do it constantly in my home.

[nooka]

Surely the only reason to move from a cigarette to an e-cigarette is your health? If it's to beat the cigarette restrictions then I'm not sure how it's helping you to give up smoking which is supposed to be the point (if used as a nicotine replacement aid to quit).

I'm in North America where we are seeing significant use of vaping by children who have never smoked so I don't see vaping as quite so benign. Plus I agree that it can be quite smelly, as likely to cause issues as air freshener or perfume. I don't want people to feel that they have carte blanche to vape indoors.

[WiddlinDiddlin]

I think the PHE study did look at children taking up vaping and found that although take up is higher than they'd like, kids don't continue vaping for very long - they try it, and get bored of it quite quickly.

I think there have been other studies that appear to demonstrate that those starting vaping who have never smoked are not likely to become addicted to vaping - although whether they factored in peer pressure amongst kids to that I don't know (and that is what really got me hooked on cigs!)

PHE report DOES prove that vapers do NOT breathe out anything that can do harm - the reason those vape machines that produce huge clouds smell more sickly is the e-juice they use contains more Vegetable Glycerin - its completely harmless (everyone will be consuming VG pretty much daily, its in so many foods and other products) but sweet, which added to the sweet flavours which most people seem to favour... will produce that sickly smell.

Vapers generally can't smell it themselves, but then most people can't smell their own odours - I find some people have incredibly strong perfumes, washing powders, shampoos even and they are completely unaware of the eye-watering cloud of pong they go around in.. such is life!

Its a lot less likely to do you harm than constantly breathing in perfume or air freshener (since neither of these products is meant to be inhaled directly, or constantly)...

But the bottom line is for the OP - its your house, your rules apply, tell your friend not to be a dick and vape outside!
Whilst vapers will naturally vape almost constantly (but at a slower rate than smoking since the vape isn't burning away there like a cig would be), its UTTER bollocks that she can't just stop, and go outside as a smoker would!

[Whocansay]

This cow is absolutely not your friend. She's horrible. Chuck her out first thing.

[witsender]

I'm sure they can help smokers. But they are still a bloody irritant and should be treated as such. Helping you should not come at the expense of others.

[TempusEedjit]

What a cow! Trying to tell you you're imagining your headaches - if it were me I'd be mortified whether I truly believed it or not, not defending my decision and blowing more vape smoke at you!

The relationship is already damaged anyway (and why would you want a "friend" like that) so why not put your foot down and insists she either stops with the vaping NOW or leaves your house now?

[PinkFreesia]

Nice friend. You are right to ask her to leave. Its your house so your rules. Vaping is as disgusting as smoking - I know I've done both. I don't care if it stops people from smoking real cigs as that's not my problem. If I was doing something unpleasant in a friends house and I was asked not to, I would of course comply with the request. What is wrong with people feeling entitled all the time?

[ofudginghell]

I gave up two years ago and went onto vapes. Without them I wouldn't have been able to give up,however I never smoked inside my own home or car so don't vape inside either and I certainly wouldn't do it in someone else's house.
Whether it causes headaches or not it's your home and if your not happy about it tell your friend she's welcome to vape outside when she feels the need but it's now banned indoors.
Your home your rules and your friend should respect that

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

Well, she's being an arse, obviously. When I stay with friends who don't like vaping I just stealth it or nip to the bathroom

The trouble with these sorts of threads is, however apparently reasonable the OP, they're an open invitation for arseholes to come on and vent their spleen about vaping and vapers generally.

Here's the problem:

- Just under 1 in 5 (19%) of adults in Great Britain now smoke: 20% of men and 17% ofwomen. This means there are about 9.6 million adult smokers in Great Britain.

- About a half of all life-long smokers will die prematurely. On average, cigarette smokers die 10 years younger than non-smokers.

- Smoking is the primary cause of preventable illness and death. Every year smoking causes around 96,000 deaths in the UK.

- Two-thirds of smokers start before age 18. Of those who try smoking between one-third and one-half will become regular smokers.

- Smoking rates are much higher among poorer people. In 2014, 13% of adults in managerial and professional occupations smoked compared with 30% in routine and manual occupations.

- Smoking rates amongst people with a mental health condition are significantly higher than in the general population and there is a strong association between smoking and mental health conditions... It is estimated that of the 10 million smokers in the UK about 3 million have a mental health condition.

Vaping saves lives:

Prof Robert West at UCL, said: "The increased prevalence of e-cigarettes in England does not appear to have been associated with a detectable change in attempts to stop smoking. However, the increase in e-cigarette use has been associated with an increase in success of quit attempts.

Smoking rates fell by 1% from 2014 to 2015.

John Britton, director of the UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies at the University of Nottingham, said the results suggested e-cigarette use could contribute to falling smoking rates. "This significant year-on-year fall indicates that something in UK tobacco control policy is working, and successful quitting through substitution with e-cigarettes is one likely major contributor."

Prof Linda Bauld, of Cancer Research UK, said: "The British public have voted with their feet and are choosing to use e-cigarettes. This is a positive choice, and we should promote it."

Public Health England says e-cigarettes are 95% less harmful to your health than normal cigarettes, and when supported by a smoking cessation service, help most smokers to quit tobacco altogether.

Vaping does not harm you, the bystander (PHE):

The evidence of harm from secondhand exposure to vapour is not sufficient to justify the prohibition of e-cigarettes.

e-cigarette use is not covered by smokefree legislation and should not routinely be included in the requirements of an organisation’s smokefree policy

UK data shows little evidence that young people who try e-cigarettes progress to regular use, other than those who had previously smoked.

to maximise the number of smokers switching to e-cigarettes, vaping should be made a more convenient, as well as safer, option.

smokers can achieve their desired blood plasma nicotine level with one cigarette every hour or so, and in a short space of time. Vaping provides a generally lower blood nicotine level and takes longer to reach a desired level, requiring frequent interim top-ups. This difference should be taken into account, particularly when developing policies for workplaces.

it is never acceptable to require vapers to share the same outdoor space with smokers.

Your house, your rules, obviously, and she does sound particularly ill-mannered. However, some of the other posters on here really need to stop and have a bit of a think about the harm they are doing by spouting ill-informed shit.

(apols for the wall of text, I don't think most people bother clicking on links to things they suspect they won't agree with so I C&P'd.)

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

All the muttering about long term effects just makes people who smoke justify carrying on smoking as "it's no safer"
When in fact it is, and smokers should be encouraged to vape

Don't you mean smokers should be encouraged to give up completely using whichever method works for them?

I'm not convinced that people who justify carrying on smoking rather than vaping is anything other than addicts justifying their own behaviour. Realistically if it wasn't that, they'd just find something else. So it's quite reasonable to point out that we don't have enough evidence over the long term to say what all the effects are. Even PHE say that's the case.

[CoraPirbright]

What a rude, inconsiderate, selfish cow!! And as for denying that it gives you a headache - what a stupid thing to say! Anything can give you a headache if it doesn't agree with you e.g. some perfumes, air fresheners etc. She sounds awful - thank goodness she is leaving!

[TirednessIsComing]

Wow she's lucky you are such a nice person. If she still ignored me like that she'd be out right there and then with a boot up her arse.

Vaping wouldn't bother me. The disrespect would and selfishness. The friendship is gone but only because she's not acted at all like a friend or decent person.

[VivienneWestwoodsKnickers]

Good riddance, OP. She's not a friend if she treats you this way.

[FrameyMcFrame]

Yes, to headaches.... we had a guy at work who insisted on vaping in meetings. He said it was legal etc.., I got really bad headaches every time I had to spend an hour in that room with him.

I know what you mean about the sickly smell. It's horrible. Nobody wanted to offend him but eventually a couple of people complained and he was asked to stop doing it.

[LittleLionMansMummy]

Everything Plenty said. Of course house guests should abide by house rules (and I include taking shoes off if that's what the house rules are!) But that shouldn't cloud judgement about vaping itself and the increasing amount of evidence that it is much safer than smoking and very probably savings thousands of lives - not to mention relationships. Dh smoked for over 30 years and since taking up vaping two years ago hasn't done it since. I much prefer the smell of his vape to how he smelled (and tasted when kissing!) before.

[Idratherbeaunicorn]

Personally I don't like vaping, and in my opinion if you are somewhere you wouldn't smoke (ie - in someones kitchen, a restaurant, waiting room etc) then you shouldn't vape there.
We had friends over recently and one started vaping in my front room - I made a point of saying "you wouldnt smoke in here, so please dont vape in here".

[magimedi]

I have been vaping for four years & without it would never have given up a life long cigarette habit.

I would never vape in someone's house without asking first & am more than happy to go outside (as I did with cigarettes).

Vaping is a great way for people to give up cigarettes & regaib lubg function.

I have never heard such ignorant vitriol as on some of the posts on this thread.

If there was a cure for obesity would you sneer at it?

Do you sneer at alcoholics or people with a drink problem?

[deblet]

I prefer vaping to cigs but people still have to go outside. The only difference to me is that they smell less when they come in. Your house your rules OP just tell her one of the side effects is headaches and you are getting them. It is the most common side effect.

[specialsubject]

It smells - not as badly as the coffin nails but still nasty perfume.

So she goes outside and downwind to do it. Not hard.

Refusing? Use of the phrase 'bugger off out of my house' is the alternative.

[blaeberry]

If e-cigerettes are only 95% safer than cigarettes that doesn't make them safe; lots of people will die from using them. Just less than cigarettes. We don't want to encourage smokers to vape, we want to encourage smokers to stop smoking and if they couldn't smoke somewhere then they shouldn't vape there either.

[Sabistick]

Sensitivity to propylene glycol (in vaping) gives headaches. (Just googled). But really, you shouldn't have to explain and excuse yourself. Why is it allowable to not be considerate or have manners? F**g oyks have no manners .

[FarAwayHills]

Although I'm aware that vaping is better than smoking - it should be treated in the same way so that it isn't normalised or any easier to vape than it is to smoke. The whole point of vaping should be to gradually cut down and reduce the nicotine so eventually you give up altogether. In my DHs case im not sure this will ever happen as he's obsessed with his vape thing. It drives me crazy but I do have to remind myself that it's the lesser of two evils.

[bandbsmummy]

Gosh, that's just rude.
Even my husband isn't allowed to vape in the house because I can't stand the smell and it does give me a headache.
Occasionally when I've been out and he's had too much wine, I get home and smell it on the cats....

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I don't mean to sneer at all 'magi.But I'm slightly worried that PHE's position on this has been misrepresented.

Their bottom line is that smokers should give up completely (using intermediary steps if possible) and vapers should give up vaping.

[BuggersMuddle]

Bottom line - you asked her not to do it and she's still doing it before she flounces off tomorrow. She can't even abide by your request for a few hours, so she's extremely rude and a bad houseguest. The vaping vs smoking argument is almost irrelevant - she's decided her right to vape indoors is more important than your comfort in your home: that's twattish behaviour.

[FurryDogMother]

I would never vape in someone's home without them telling me it was OK. I always ask in pubs what their vaping policy is, and if it's no vaping, I go outside to do it. I enjoy vaping, and have no intention of giving it up, given that nicotine is about as harmful as caffeine. Anyone see a need to give up coffee?

The OP's friend is being incredibly selfish though - it's people like her who give vapers a bad name. Most of us are rather lovely :)