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AIBU to say child should stick with first arrangement and not turn down for better offer

76 replies

ChocolateWombat · 24/10/2016 12:31

So, we have arranged for a family with kids to come over for a day in November. We are friends with the adult and our DD is friends with their kids and has been for years, in terms of us spending time together as 2 families. It's been quite difficult to find a date that works for us all.

Now DD has received an invitation to a friends birthday party mid afternoon on the same day. She would love to go, but it would mean taking her away from home straight after lunch and leaving the 2 kids of the visiting family without a 'host child' if you see what I mean.

I feel it's an important lesson to learn that we stick with our original arrangements and don't blow people out when a better offer comes along. Realise it's a bit tricky when children don't always make their own arrangements, but think it's an important lesson to learn. Do you think I've been unreasonable and DD should be allowed to go?

OP posts:
SaucyJack · 25/10/2016 11:58

"Do all of those who say she is BU, let their under 10s run the household or choose their own activities?"

Yes, because facilitating them going to a good friend's birthday party is really running the household isn't it....

Y'know, sometimes I feel like the biggest cunt of a parent on Earth, and then I read comments like yours and realise I'm actually quite nice to my kids.

LyndaNotLinda · 25/10/2016 12:02

Your DD has plans. Of course you bloody organised then - she's 9.

So many people on MN have no idea of manners

NapQueen · 25/10/2016 12:06

How old are the other families kids?

Tardigrade001 · 25/10/2016 12:09

How does she feel about it? If she us not too happy but generally ok, then fine. If she is likely to sulk in a corner for the rest of the afternoon because of the missed party, then maybe you should reconsider. Not that a parent should give into pressure like that, but it can ruin the day for everyone.

Butlerbabyno2 · 25/10/2016 22:42

Why don't you just ask the visiting family if they would mind if your DC wasn't there for a few hours as its a friends birthday party on the same day? Make it clear your DC would still be around for part of the day and see what they say? If they don't have an issue with it then let her go, if they do stick with original plans. I would feel bad if my visit meant a friends child couldn't go to a party.

Bestthingever · 25/10/2016 22:49

I've been on the other end of this i.e. the guest. I've found it rude.

AmeliaJack · 26/10/2016 01:36

butler but any polite guest would say "of course it's fine" even though they were annoyed.

Butlerbabyno2 · 26/10/2016 07:51

Depends on the guest and how good friends they are, for example if this was in my group of friends - we would either tell each other if we wasn't too keen on the idea if that's the case, or we would rearrange for later that day eg, the kids will be bored without your DC, why don't you come to us after the party instead. Doesn't mean me or any of my inner circle aren't polite, we are open with each other.

DiegeticMuch · 26/10/2016 07:55

The visitors would probably regard it as pretty bad manners if she buggered off for a better offer, TBH. Understandably.

Emeralda · 26/10/2016 08:10

I have also been on the other end of this and was disappointed (for myself and DS) that the child wasn't there for the afternoon. Privately, I did think it was a bit rude when we were told that's what would be happening, but wouldn't dream of saying that, as that would be rude!
Could you arrange for DD and her friend to do something else together another day for birthday, if they are good friends?

itsatiggerday · 26/10/2016 08:17

Interesting seeing the range of responses suggesting YABU. Explains why the responders who agree YANBU find so many people flaky sometimes....

IME this is influenced by whether you have family friends who live further away. I found people who'd always lived in the same place were much more likely to be fluid about these kinds of plans, whereas we relocated and as a result had to be organised and make an effort to keep up with friends. Kids don't spend a lot of time together but the once or twice a year that we made plans, they weren't just casual 'oh well, never mind, see you next week instead' type plans. If all your friends live in the same town and you can see them regularly, I think it's easier to treat a specific date as optional.

JJbum · 26/10/2016 08:29

YANBU - you already have plans, as a family, for the day. It's a shame but that's life. Children can't always make every party.

If your friends were coming for the weekend, I'd see it differently. I've been a guest, with my kids, when the hosts have mentioned other activities that included a party and I have genuinely reassured them it's fine for their children to go. That's because we had an entire weekend together. When it's just a day, it's different.

Bluebolt · 26/10/2016 08:30

I have been in this situation as a guest, DC1&2 first had to deal with the pre party excitement then the drop off. The host then clock watched until pick up when we then got the after party excitement and party bag examination. I was polite but still can not understand why she didn't cancel or at least let me know.

PolarBearLover14 · 26/10/2016 08:32

You've just said this is a close friends birthday and she didn't make these plans for visitors so you are being hugely unreasonable.
It's like a punishment to not let her go to her friends party when she's done nothing wrong... what's that teaching her?

opinionatedfreak · 26/10/2016 08:42

Even as a adult I can't duck out of family things that someone else (DSis/DBro usually) has arranged without it causing hassle. Prior commitments even if un exciting.

I have an adult friend who regularly cancels longstanding plans on a pretext. It usually transpires several months later that he did something else often with his "cooler" friends. It used to irritate me.

Now I just take the piss openly at his insecurity and need to prioritize his cool mates over the reliable /staid ones but I don't arrange to do stuff with him away from the group much because going to the theatre/an exhibition solo because you have been ditched last minute is a bit wearing.

Notonthestairs · 26/10/2016 08:43

I wouldn't change the existing plans. But I really wouldn't dresss this up as "a life lesson". It is what it is - a missed party and a lunch stuck with your mums friends children. Happened all the time to me as a child (am not bitter...)

zad716 · 26/10/2016 08:51

YANBU - you already have plans, as a family, for the day. It's a shame but that's life. Children can't always make every party.

These plans could though be re-arranged as they were mutually arranged. Hence its not the same as turning down a party invite that couldn't be re-arranged.

Wonder if the OP would have a different opinion if the 2nd invite was a invitation for her rather than her DD.

Lilaclily · 26/10/2016 08:55

Definitely decline the party, it would be very rude to let her go

ChocolateWombat · 26/10/2016 08:59

Morning. Thanks everyone again for your thoughts. It's interesting to see the different views.

I think itsatiggerday is probably right in terms of understanding why people react differently to this Q. Many of our friends are old friends, some of whom live round here, but many don't. We might see some of them once or twice a year, for a family day together. Many have kids of a similar age to ours and we have known the adults since before we had kids. All of our diaries get pretty full months ahead, so finding dates to do things isn't easy and getting together can involve up to a couple of hours travel each way.

As I said up thread, I make the arrangements having discussed with DH and DD what we might like to do and who we might like to catch up with. They are family plans, made together. As I also said, I can see a time when DD is a teenager (and the kids of friends are teenagers too) when our get together soon might become a bit more flexible in terms of whether the kids will or won't be around, as they make more of their own arrangements....but for now,at 9, DDs social diary is still organised by me. She enjoys these gatherings with other families and has played with these kids since they were babies - I realise it's not the same as friends you see every day at school, but......she can see them every day, whereas she only sees these others twice a year. As others have said, we can arrange to do something else with the school friend.

So I have decided that we will definitely be going ahead with the original plan,as I have always thought. DD hasn't strongly argued for going to the party, just expressed a bit of regret that she won't be going and has asked if it will be possible to do both, which I said we would think about. Now I have decided.

For this particular case, I have decided that we honour the original plan, because it was made first. DD is still at an age where we make plans to do things as a family and I'm happy with that and don't see it as her being subjected to our whims and her opinions not mattering. We give priority to the family arrangement not because it was made by the adults, but because it was made first. If the party invitation had come first,new would have accepted and then if our family friends had invited us over, we would have turned the, down and not been flaky towards DDs friend. So first booking retains priority, unless in an extreme situation...and this certainly isn't an extreme situation.

DD will understand - because she's is actually pretty mature for a 9 year old. Although she will be a bit disappointed (in the same way adults feel a bit disappointed when they can't make a social event) she will also understand why we are doing what we are. She will also recognise that there have been times when we arranged for her to do stuff first and WE then missed out on something we were invited to later.....just how the cookie crumbles really. And I'm glad that I can say in confidence that this is how she will feel. No doubt some posters on this thread will find it hard to believe she will cope and not feel hugely let down, or that her wishes are not considered, or that adults steamroller over her wishes. But actually, because we have consistently followed this 'first arrangement has priority' approach, she actually understands it and knows it is the right thing, even if it's a bit disappointing on this occasion.

I will continue, it's both local and non local friends to try to stick with first arrangements. The posts of here make me more convinced that constant changing of plans to suit oneself, is both flaky and a bit selfish. I'm keen to be respectful of my friends and their time and to acknowledge that cancelling people or trying to change timings last minute to squeeze in things that have recently come on the horizon is putting me/ourselves above them - it would grate if people did it to me, when I have a busy schedule which is hard to adapt, so I know it isn't easy for them either, however much people are polite and say they don't mind.

Thanks again everyone.

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RhiWrites · 26/10/2016 09:35

Fascinating thread. I'm usually all about the rights of the child but I think here although OP made the arrangements her DD was fully aware and informed and enthusiastic about them. She might not have chosen the family visit over the party but the party hadn't been planned then.

That said I think OPs overdoing it on the life lesson. I get where you're coming from OP but this is a complex example to use. I think I'd say not "we have to stick to the plans we made" but "it's a shame we didn't know about the party when we arranged the lunch but that's done now and and we wouldn't want to never plan things in case a party came along." So take the emphasis off the mutuality of the plan and explain that whenever you commit to do anything on a currently blank day you are taking the risk of missing a party.

Then go and get a calendar and write in all the close friends birthdays so you'll be better prepared. That's the real lesson isn't it? If you'd thought that party child might be going to have a party then you'd probably have avoided that date. Although you'd risk DD not being invited!

RhiWrites · 26/10/2016 09:39

Sorry OP, cross posted. I think you've made the right decision though.

1gorgeousson · 26/10/2016 09:51

I wonder how many that said let her go would also come back here and start a moaning thread about their child's friend taking up a better offer on the day of their visit.
I agree with your decision OP. Give a 9 year old the idea you can drop people whenever you like and you get an adult that carries on doing the same and thinking it's ok.

ChocolateWombat · 26/10/2016 09:58

Thanks Rhi.
The thing with kids birthday parties, is that they can happen on their birthday, the weekend before, the weekend after.....or 6 weeks later or before in the school holiday. There really is no telling! And sometimes people have one and then another year they don't. So if we blocked out all the dates when a party MIGHT fall, there wouldn't be time for anything else.

Unless, I've got a good indication that something is coming on a particular date, I tend to go with 'a bird in the hand' type approach. We are often booking things into our diaries 2 months ahead and have a fairly active social life, as do the kids. There haven't been loads of parties DD has had to miss - just one or two really - sometimes we've been on holiday, or already doing stuff. We have turned down family events too, because she was already committed to a party or event. Hey ho!

While I think that it is really important to listen to children and to consider what they would like to do, when making plans (on holiday each person has a chance to select something they would really love to do) I don't like the culture which seems to be developing that says children and their wishes should always come first.....the idea that they will be scarred if they don't get their own way. Children and adults are all in families together, which means a bit of give and take.... How will children ever learn to function in society if every time something comes up that they want to do, everything else is cancelled or dropped to allow them to have that, however last minute? I think the principle that whatever was arranged first, whether it is an activity for children or for adults or the whole family isn't a bad one to go by.

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Notverylucky · 26/10/2016 13:13

I wholeheartedly agree chocolate. Nice to see others teaching their children manners, etc, and not being afraid to 'upset/disappoint' them whilst doing so.

So many people seem to molly-coddle their children nowadays, and I really think it's not preparing them for the real world where they won't always get their own way.

Have a great day!

As your dd is being so mature about it you could always suggest taking her and friend out for pizza or inviting her to yours for sleepover with pizza, etc, in the near future as a reward/consolation prize for doing the right thing. (It's always nice to show them that doing the right thing, especially when you don't really want to, can pay off in the long run).

scaryteacher · 26/10/2016 13:37

SaucyJack *Yes, because facilitating them going to a good friend's birthday party is really running the household isn't it....

Y'know, sometimes I feel like the biggest cunt of a parent on Earth, and then I read comments like yours and realise I'm actually quite nice to my kids.*

I am very nice to mine as well, but as diaries are planned up to six months in advance in my household, (and people are in different countries, so travel is sorted in advance) and things are not always moveable, you stick with the first arrangement. Family life is give and take, and as the OP said, she has missed on things as her dd has a commitment, so the OP can say yes to her invitation.

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