To ask what you think about global warming?

[deeedeee]

After seeing comments on other threads , I'm wondering, what do most people think?

Are you worried about man-made climate change?

Are you trying to change any of your behaviour because of it?

Or are you not concerned?

We do officially use about twice as much per head here
We also have 3 times the GDP per head and 3 times the salary of Brazil here at PPP.
The UK also has about 1.5 times as much wind power installed as Brazil here
So for income levels we are more efficient. South America are also warmer than us, so need less energy for heating.
Global warming is actually likely to be beneficial to the UK and most of western Europe, rather than damaging, by extending the growing season, reducing heating needs and reducing winter deaths (which are far higher than summer deaths).

And the negative effects again....flood, heat waves, increased pressure on NHS, water shortages, risk to trade , water shortages, risks to food supply, increased immigration, increased risk of UK military action over seas....

You've just picked the 3 possible positive effects from the report I referenced up thread and ignored the larger raft of negative risks.

Why do we need to reduce winter deaths? A permanently expanding, elderly, and infirm population doesn't benefit a country. People have got to die of something.

And warmer sea temperatures mean more unstable weather. That doesn't benefit a country. You only have to look at what the last few winters have done to our infrastructure and the costs needed to tackle the consequences to realise that.

Well, it is a bit of a miserable way to go compared with, say, allowing euthanasia for people diagnosed with dementia who would like to die before the condition gets too bad. I agree that "people have got to die of something", but better to have good quality of life whilst possible and then not drag things out when it's hopeless.

Which is exactly what a quick death from pneumonia givesgives (ususuallyyally). Don't they call it "the old man's friend" or something?

Wtf is my phone up to? Sorry for weird spelling.

We do officially use about twice as much per head here

So time to stop doing that? We use less electricity, we buy less and we consume less since we moved to Brazil. We also have a higher standard of living.

We also have 3 times the GDP per head and 3 times the salary of Brazil here at PPP.

Which begs the question of why the UK is not investing more in climate change and making a huge difference? Two of the countries that can do the most (UK and USA) are also two of the biggest problems, with the highest levels of over consumption in the world. That's appalling and embarassing.

The UK also has about 1.5 times as much wind power installed as Brazil here Look at the graphs again. At current installed capacity the UK is 3.2% and Brazil is 2.0%. In new installed capacity the UK is 1.5% and Brazil is 4.5%. By 2025 Brazil is predicted to raise that to 25%. I said the wind farms are still being installed. Brazil, Argentina and Chile need to move away from Hydro power because of global warming and draught.

So for income levels we are more efficient How do you calculate that? Because the UK is wealthier it is ok for the UK to produce more Co2 and Methane per person? . We're not talking about comparing people in the UK to people living without electricity or cars. In fact in most cases the living standards for the majority of people in Brazil and Argentina are the same as people in the developed world. Killing the planet is not being efficient.

South America are also warmer than us, so need less energy for heating.

We use energy to cool our home in the summer. In the winter we only need a fire and rarely put heaters on true. But we're not too far south, parts of South America are much much colder than the UK and have radiators and central heating systems.

Global warming is actually likely to be beneficial to the UK
how do you work that out when 95% of it will be under water? The increased population and decreased land for farming and living with the likely mass immigration of refugees to the Americas might push the winter and summer deaths into insignificance, don't you think?

Yes, it was.

Anyway, as deedee was saying, there are proportionally more effects that would generally be regarded as negative than positive. (I did like the low heating bills last winter, I'm not saying there are no advantages.)

It's really not just the effects within Britain either, it's the knock on effects from other parts of the world, the hardening of political attitudes almost certain to occur as migration increases, rising food prices as shortages bite first in poorer countries, and economic ripples once the US is more severely affected. (There are increaing numbers of serious, non crackpot stories about planning for flooding in New York now, for instance; it is very low-lying.)

re prices of food from abroad, and rises due to brexit exchange rates, that reminds me. I have been thinking of buying a big sack of brown rice. There is one place I have been looking at (Wilton); deedee, I wondered if you had any other recommendations.

I'm not sure penny, maybe Suma?

I hope others are reading this thread too.