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To do a straw poll on whether you're happy with where Brexit is heading?

999 replies

Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 16:57

This isn't about the whys and wherefores of how we got here but, since no one I speak to IRL is happy with the path Brexit is leading us down and I've just seen a poll in the Metro strongly in favour of abandoning Brexit it got me wondering how wide spread it is.

This isn't supposed to be an argument thread or even how you voted, just Are you happy heading towards a hard Brexit

Yes or No

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Budgiebonbon · 17/10/2016 08:32

No- I'm am very worried & angry that we have been blindly led to this situation with no plan & empty promises. (I was a remain though)

Elendon · 17/10/2016 08:34

Personally I think May has said a hard Brexit, because this approach is onerous at best. What the UK puts forward has to be ratified by all the other member states. Do you really think Ireland is going to vote for a solid border with Northern Ireland?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 17/10/2016 08:36

The only party I think that would challange the referendum vote would be the SNP

The Libdems would want parliament to have more of a say as do Labour but not to call another referendum and the issue with a soft Brexit will be immigration

Labour are not electable and the LibDems wouldn't win enough voters over to challange the Tories

Then there are those returning Tories from UKIP and those labour voters that have moved to UKIP certainly won't vote for labour while Corbyn is leading the party

Unless Labour gets its act together and gets a new leader we have a Tory government for a long time

Elendon · 17/10/2016 08:39

I think we have all moved on from the so called racist idiots slurs (though there is no doubt that racist incidents have risen post Brexit vote).

What is interesting is the task ahead. Frankly, I think May has bitten off a bit more than she can chew; she may have done this deliberately, but that would be an incredibly cynical approach.

Anniegetyourgun · 17/10/2016 08:39

No.

I didn't think we should have gone into the EEC-as-was in the first place (though too young to vote at the time) and I'm certainly not that keen on everything it's done since, but held my nose and voted Remain because we are where we are, not where we could/should have been. I have listened to the arguments from the more thoughtful Brexiteers and believe life can go on, barring some initial upheaval, outside the EU. But trust this lot to steer us to a great future? No fucking way. As it has been pointed out, they don't have a plan. Not, they have one but they're keeping it close to their chests for negotiating purposes. They do not know what the hell they're doing. Or possibly worse, they do but they don't want us to know because we won't like it. My money's on the former; cockup is nearly always more likely than conspiracy.

As for the poster upthread who voted to leave the EU because the UK government encouraged house prices to rise... Hmm

Tell you what else, if I were Scottish I'd be livid right now. They were suckered into staying in - I'm very glad they did, btw, but still - inter alia because they were told Scotland couldn't remain a member of the EU unless it remained a part of the UK. Now what's happening? The rest of the UK is leaving anyway. I'd say that was a very good reason for another referendum, given that the goal posts have moved so dramatically. I don't want them to have one as I'm afraid they'd almost certainly vote leave this time. I wouldn't blame them if they did.

Elendon · 17/10/2016 08:47

I think the immigration question is interesting, but will dissolve as all the other issues come to light. Let's be clear, there are thousands of issues to resolve before UK leaves. When Greenland left there was one issue, fishing. It took them three years to leave (and the referendum was ratified in the Greenland parliament). Also Greenland exited via the soft route, they still remain EU citizens.

I also forgot the Gibraltar question as well. That really is a biggie.

Elendon · 17/10/2016 09:02

And then there is PGI status

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-pasties_uk_5733451be4b05c31e572fd2b

Perhaps this is the easiest to resolve, let's throw the pasties under a (Polish) bus and move on. Smile

user1474781546 · 17/10/2016 09:04

Europe will do England no favours. Life in post Brexit England will be hard. Thankfully I live in Scotland. Our future is within the EC.

caroldecker · 17/10/2016 09:05

My favourite:

  1. 'single market lite' is the same as hard brexit with trade terms favourable to WTO rules, so what they are looking at.
  1. No politician (AFAIK) is suggesting otherwise
  1. Again, not aware of anyone mentioning visas for EU nationals, considering we don't for US visitors it is unlikely
  1. There is no current intention to change employment law. Part of taking back control is that parliament in the future may amend them. You will not see any Breixt support for binding future governments.

So basically they are doing what you want.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 17/10/2016 09:07

Of course there are many issue to resolve it will take years by that time maybe other countries will be opting to leave

But if there were an election soon and the soft Brexit option was put forward by another party immigration would still be a major factor

Branleuse · 17/10/2016 09:08

NO, im terrified for our country

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 17/10/2016 09:09

No x 10000000000

fakenamefornow · 17/10/2016 09:14

No

Elendon · 17/10/2016 09:15

No, leaving will not be an option for the other countries. Why go down that route? Better to stay and reform.

Immigration post Brexit will ensure that more from the Commonwealth will get in.

taytopotato · 17/10/2016 09:16

No. The prospect of food insecurity is giving me heebee jeebies!

Elendon · 17/10/2016 09:19

Actually, the EU might well be better off letting the UK of England and Wales sail away (with exceptions of course), because it will mean less immigration for the Union.

smallfox2002 · 17/10/2016 09:26

Also the UK has often behaved like a truculent toddler at the EU, with all of the concessions it has demanded, some legitimately, some not. The UK especially under Conservative governments has held up process too, not because it was necessary, but for political expediency to show the blue rinse brigade back home that they were: "standing up to the EU".

In the end the EU will negotiate a deal that will be beneficial for them with us, we will be the ones counting the cost.

fakenamefornow · 17/10/2016 09:26

Anyone keeping score?

mybusinessidea1 · 17/10/2016 09:28

No very unhappy and very worried. Sat up all night watching the results come in back in June and just still cannot believe it Sad

mybusinessidea1 · 17/10/2016 09:29

OP was keeping score fake but I think it is a loud and clear NO from about 90% of posters on here thus far.

Cheesecake53 · 17/10/2016 09:31

No.

Original poster
Bearbehind · 17/10/2016 09:41

I make it

137 No
17 yes

This is shocking. Surely the demographic of MN isn't completely unrepresentative of public opinion?

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MistressMolecules · 17/10/2016 09:44

No but I am a remainer so Brrxit in any form would elicit a no from me. I would guess most if not all the no's on this thread are remainers. What I would be more interested in is how many leave voters are happy with the way things are going? And just friend of friends etc, but directly from leavers.

caroldecker · 17/10/2016 09:46

Bear Again you are under the misapprehension that your threads attract a representative group. Many of us deliberately ignore any EU (or EU based) threads you are on because your comments are repetitive, dull and relentless. Having the last word is not the same as winning the argument.