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To deeply resent potential career setback?

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user1475520494 · 03/10/2016 22:32

First time user, though occasional lurker on this forum. I am here for your wisdom and insight. Please feel free to be very honest with me- I feel that I have lost all perspective and could do with some of yours!

Hubby and I are both surgeons (different specialties). We live and work in the US (originally from a different continent). We are parents to two beautiful children. Most of our immediate families are now in the US, so this is now home. We took a long, difficult path to get where we are now, spending the better part of the past 2 decades undertaking fairly grueling surgical training. Now, we are wrapping up training and getting ready to take up real jobs-already in very, very late 30’s. Here comes the dilemma.

I have a job offer from my current training program. This is a world-renowned program and a lot of what is being practiced here aligns very well with my desired career trajectory. The Department Chair is passionate about mentoring new faculty, there is ample time to pursue academic interests, a very strong workforce of top-notch faculty and trainees from across the world (besides, this is a beautiful city, with the right mix of the city vibe and easy access to breathtaking scenery).

The downside is that they are currently not looking to hire someone in my husband’s specialty; he works in a very niche field and the kind of jobs that would suit his skillset are few and far-between. He has however found another job he thinks he will love-except it is on the other side of the country (think 8 hour flight from where we are currently, counting in airport layovers and such). My husband’s field is undergoing rapid expansion at this center and they are quite keen to hire him, so much so, that they have extended me a job offer too.

I have very little doubt this will be a wonderful opportunity for my husband. Within my field at this academic center, however, the staffing is threadbare, the section chief is not known to be an avid mentor of new hires and my on-call duties will be overwhelming until the staffing situation improves. I am also not excited to move to this much smaller place after having lived in a lovely, thriving urban environment. Since funding is an issue for them currently, I am also being offered a much smaller salary than would be expected for my skillset.

In short, I am very confused. We both agree that staying geographically so far apart will be unsustainable over the long term. I still resent my current situation- I have slogged very hard to get this far (admittedly, so has he), and it now seems hard to not take this job which seems tailor-made for me and to travel across the continent for a job situation I feel zero excitement for. We have some restrictions imposed by our visas too- which means that whichever job we go for, we will be deadlocked in for the next few years. As it is, our long years spent in training have been less than ideal for our children; we have relied a lot on outside help for their upbringing. It makes sense to now shift our focus to them and stop cribbing about our own career-related frustrations- I know this and feel guilty about feeling the way I do. Please drill some sense into me.

OP posts:
Iggi999 · 04/10/2016 06:33

Agree with all others, you'd only be in tossing a coin territory if both locations where equally nice to live in AND if you had no dcs.

ohdearme1958 · 04/10/2016 07:03

For patients it's great that people go in to these niche areas of medicine but the reality is there comes a certain arrogance and self belief with it on the part of the surgeon. I also know from having medics in the family these niche areas are often gone into in order to get up the career ladder quicker bevause so few people do them. Or perhaps help with immigration formalities in this case - oh you'll definitely get residency if you have a skill not many other people have. I think it was always going to be the case your career played second fiddle to his because of his niche role in the world of medicine, and dare I say it your cultural background.

I think I know where you're from and where you are, and the road you've had to take to get there. I also know the visa process can be harder for men hence doing a speciality not many others have done. A lot of people in my extended circle have done the same. So I know how hard it must have been for you to get so far in life, and your career, but all the more reason for you not to throw away your achievements now.

ohdearme1958 · 04/10/2016 07:10

Why was your dh even applying for jobs that are 8 hours from home? Was he just assuming that the family would up and follow him where ever he chose to go

I think the niche area of medicine could possibly have chosen to make getting up the career ladder quicker. And all the more so as an immigrant. It would also help with visa formalities if the OP is in one of the two countries I think she's in.

ivegotdreadfulpmttoday · 04/10/2016 07:14

Someone asked if your husband would be prepared to do the same for you? You are in the perfect scenario to find out.

myownprivateidaho · 04/10/2016 07:18

It sounds to me like the balance is tilted in favour of staying. I agree that your DH has to take some responsibility of choosing a niche specialism. Is there any prospect of him advancing if you stay put - e.g. by moving into another specialism?

itlypocerka · 04/10/2016 07:26

You should definitely stay in your current area and accept the opportunity fir your own career where you currently are.

DH should keep looking - something will turn up soon. There will be opportunities closer by

It would be stupid to cripple your career and disrupt the children's lives to go to the other city.

Stopyourhavering · 04/10/2016 07:47

We had a similar dilemma 10 yrs ago, when husband was working in (expensive)city a 7 hr drive from our family home( high powered legal job). We were considering moving but our 3 dcs ( (11, 9, 6) were settled here and we had a good network of support ( I have no living family, so relied on good friends/ colleagues)and had a lovely home in a beautiful part of the country ( mountains, lakes, beaches...short distance to good cities)
I had just returned to work and had found a job commensurate with my training ( medical area)
We decided to stay put and husband commuted...coming home every weekend
I won't say it wasn't tough at times and the majority of the day to day child care/ issues came down to me but it worked for us and now a decade later we have a very good lifestyle, our kids are happy and my husband now works from home ( with a very good legal career)
We knew there would be compromise and sacrifice in our careers / life to get to where we are now. I know how tough it is in medicine and especially surgery ( I come from a medical family with a lot of female Drs)so to have been offered your job won't be east to replicate elsewhere , especially being a woman.. You have at least another 20 yrs in your careers so you have tough choices to make now, but realistically you would be wise to take your job offer now as I feel it would probably still be easier for your husband to travel for his career

rookiemere · 04/10/2016 07:55

I'm confused by those people saying that the two scenarios are equal.

Putting the career dilemma to one side.

For your DCs they will either stay in the cosmopolitan location they know, in their existing school, with the friends they have, and your existing child care structures in place, or they will move to new place, which is smaller and therefore may not offer as many opportunities to them.

That to me is the reason not to move. I have little truck with families that move their DCs around, sacrificed at the alter of their parents ambition. If you want your DCs to maximise their potential, like their parents, then it makes sense not to uproot them from everything they know and love - unless there is a compelling argument for new place to do so.

StealthPolarBear · 04/10/2016 08:16

Interesting thread.
Longlost I doubt it but sometimes starting a thread like this raises issues you'd not considered or helps put a different slant on your existing thoughts.

AyeAmarok · 04/10/2016 09:38

I think you should stay where you are and take the better job for you.

Your DH needs to decide whether he wants to undo all your hard work and uproot his DC for his own slightly selfish motives.

SugarMiceInTheRain · 04/10/2016 10:01

I would stay where you are as the children are settled and your friends and life are sorted there, rather than you having to uproot and start from scratch elsewhere, so the situation is weighted in your favour. Also you say most of your family are now in the US - are they close to where you live now? Because an extended family support network can be invaluable. I realise that as we don't live near my family and I wish we could see my mum more regularly than just school holidays.

minipie · 04/10/2016 11:09

We both feel that staying together will be the best option for our children; it is just hard to accept what this will mean for our careers.

In that case it's a no brainer.

Staying is better for the children, better for your career, worse for his career.

Going is worse for the children, better for his career, worse for your career.

So staying is better for 3 of you and worse for 1 of you. Going is better for 1 of you and worse for 3 of you.

It is obvious you should stay. Unless you decide his career is the most important thing and carries more weight than anyone else's wellbeing. (I hope you don't!).

ohdearme1958 · 04/10/2016 11:10

Sorry I didn't see the US had been mentioned but it was one of 2 countries I thought were a possibility as to where the OP is

ethelb · 04/10/2016 11:21

Why did he chose such a niche specialism considering he has a wife who is also surgeon and children.

ethelb · 04/10/2016 11:22

Why did he chose such a niche specialism considering he has a wife who is also surgeon and children?

ethelb · 04/10/2016 11:22

Why did he chose such a niche specialism considering he has a wife who is also surgeon and children?

ethelb · 04/10/2016 11:22

Why did he chose such a niche specialism considering he has a wife who is also surgeon and children?

ethelb · 04/10/2016 11:25

Why did he chose such a niche specialism considering he has a wife who is also surgeon and children?

ohdearme1958 · 04/10/2016 11:35

What a fabulous way to work it out minipieSmile

HereIAm20 · 04/10/2016 11:39

Out of interest where are the 2 jobs because I don't know any internal flight within the US that is 8 hours away ; even NY to LA is only 3 hours (coast to coast).

ohdearme1958 · 04/10/2016 11:44

I think 8 hours included airport time.

KickAssAngel · 04/10/2016 12:46

HereAmI - she mentioned layovers. There aren't always direct flights from one place to another.

Oly5 · 04/10/2016 12:54

I think you need to stay out and allow your career to flourish while also providing stability for your children and in a great city!
Tell your husband that the job he will be doing is a stepping stone and you will do all you can to help him if he agrees to stay here with the family.
I think if you move your kids (potentially making them unhappy) and you give up on your career dream, your relationship will be under enormous stress.
Don't allow your "working mother's guilt" to cloud your judgment here. It's ok for your career to really, really mean something

wildcoffeeandbeans · 04/10/2016 13:39

NYC to LA is nearly six hours non-stop, not including travelling to and from the airports, plus waiting around. But I'm guessing the second town is much less interesting and probably more remote than those two cities.

Bobochic · 04/10/2016 13:51

I think you have no choice but to live apart for a few years. If you follow your husband you will be so resentful that you will kill your relationship.

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