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To be furious with my DHs workplace?

58 replies

FuriousWifeNeedsCalming · 02/10/2016 12:31

I earn more than DH in the 3 days a week I do, than he does in 5 days. He can't even equal it by doing 6 days so we stick to 5 for him. Which means I'm the breadwinner and also DDs primary carer, which I know upsets DH a lot, his wages cover the 3 days a week DD is in Nursery. DD is 15m.

DH works for a major supermarket retailer, he's technically a supervisor but doesn't get paid much more (5p extra per hour) for the extra responsibilites, and often ends up only "supervising" to cover the department managers breaks or when they're off on AL.

He apparently loves his job though. But i hate it. In the two years he's worked for them they cancelled a weeks AL the day before it started as they were apparently short staffed, they made him take only 10 days PL when he's entitled to 4 weeks because the manager of his department flew off to the Caribbean, and there was apparently no-one else to cover him and they've also asked him to work the week between Christmas and New Year, despite him specifically asking in September for it off because DDs Nursery is closed so I need him to look after her for those 3 days - I could book it off but he feels he doesn't get enough time with her as it is, and this seemed the perfect opportunity for him to spend some time with her. I am happy for him to work his contract 10 hours and a few extras on the days I'm not working (he told his work this) but apparently he's needed.

He's contracted for 10 hours a week, but usually works between 35 and 40 hours a week, but often tell him he can only do hos contract 10 hours then call him and expect him to drop everything to go to work with less than an hours notice. He doesn't get paid if he's not working so although my wages cover everything bar childcare we do have a small amount of debt because of his hours being dropped randomly. We're only talking £100 or so, which gets cleared when his hours go up, but we get into debt again when they drop his hours.

Today I am at the final straw with his workplace. I am ill, I have a double ear infection in my right ear, and a inner ear and a sinus infection in my left ear and sinus. I am unable to look after DD on my own as I can't hear anything out of my right ear and have limited hearing in my left, I'm dizzy when I stand up and can't keep food down due to the Antibiotics I'm on.

DH has never ever been off sick, he always turns up for work on time with his uniform ironed (he does it every morning), and he's happy to cover his colleagues shifts if necessary even on other departments. He has never turned down a shift and regularly works Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights which are the busiest times for the shops and when no-one else will work.

He's doing a 9 hour shift tomorrow, and DD isn't due in Nursery until Tuesday, she is also ill with a cold/cough. So DH went in to ask for tomorrow off (work is a 10minute walk away).

Apparently they can't let him have the time off unless he has a doctors note for himself, they will not accept my one for my workplace, and even though his contract days are Tuesday and Wednesday they've told him he needs to be in tomorrow as usual at 6am. They've said as a good will gesture they'll let him leave an hour early if all his work is done. I'm sick of it, if he doesn't turn up that's gross misconduct and he could lose his job, which we don't want as although my wages cover the bills, DH likes to be in work and DD loves Nursery and has developed so much from being there.

DH is looking for another job, halfheartedly as he loves his workplace for some reason, and he can't drive which limits him to anything on a public transport route.

AIBU to think they are bastards unreasonable and need to treat their staff with more respect? and AIBU to be furious that I'm going to managing an active toddler for a minimum 9 hours tomorrow with no hearing and almost constant pain?

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ilovesooty · 02/10/2016 13:59

The more I look at the OP the more telling I think the first paragraph is.
Yes, you need his support at the moment but your attitude to his work is revealing.
And surely usually money is regarded as joint money when facilitating childcare?

KayTee87 · 02/10/2016 14:02

I'd be more annoyed with my husband for not being more motivated to find a better job. There may be an underlying cause for this though so try to have a chat with him.

ilovesooty · 02/10/2016 14:03

Would you be more motivated if your wife made her disdain clear?

AlbertaDewdrop · 02/10/2016 14:06

I'd be more annoyed with my husband for not being more motivated to find a better job. There may be an underlying cause for this though so try to have a chat with him

A better job? maybe the job is a good job for his education, experience and skills.

There are plenty who would think that a supermarket job is a decent job.

helterskelter99 · 02/10/2016 14:07

Those saying it's not gross misconduct if he doesn't turn up, if you have volunteered to work overtime which is how they probably see it and then don't turn up that may be why the are saying it's gross misconduct.

I am presuming it's one of the large supermarkets? Timeoff in Dec in lots of places is not allowed so the week between Xmas and new year may fall under that although he should be only allowed to work his contracted hrs

Maybe he needs to start by saying when he is not available, so after his tues / wed shift saying sorry I am not available Friday or Sat this week so please don't contact me.

KayTee87 · 02/10/2016 14:10

alberta the way they are treating him is making it a shit job, not the fact that it's a supermarket Hmm

DetailedConfusion · 02/10/2016 14:10

His problem is that he's asking 'May I please have tomorrow off?'

He just needs to tell them unfortunately he can't be in work tomorrow because he has care of a sick child. That's it.

DetailedConfusion · 02/10/2016 14:12

I earn more than DH in the 3 days a week I do, than he does in 5 days. He can't even equal it by doing 6 days so we stick to 5 for him. Which means I'm the breadwinner and also DDs primary carer, which I know upsets DH a lot, his wages cover the 3 days a week DD is in Nursery. DD is 15m. DH works for a major supermarket retailer, he's technically a supervisor but doesn't get paid much more (5p extra per hour) for the extra responsibilites, and often ends up only "supervising" to cover the department managers breaks or when they're off on AL

And ALL of this ^ is completely irrelevant to the actual situation, which is worth bearing in mind op.

Lorelei76 · 02/10/2016 14:20

Detailed that info is completely relevant as essentially the OP family can run okay if he loses his job.

Op I hate how these employers behave. However I think your DP enables them somewhat.

Hope you feel better soon, those ear infections are bloody awful and so are the antibiotics!

UnsuccessfullyAdulting · 02/10/2016 14:21

You're entitled to up to 4 weeks per year unpaid parental leave for each child. Unfortunately in most employers eyes, 24-48 hours is sufficient time to organise childcare. As Pond says, your DH is choosing to work those hours. And those hours (up to 40 ish) are full time, not part time. By agreeing to work overtime, if you've asked your employer for a day off and they have said no, failiure to turn up could be gross/serious misconduct.

It does also sound like you feel that your DH's job is beneath you / him.

AlbertaDewdrop · 02/10/2016 14:21

He just needs to tell them unfortunately he can't be in work tomorrow because he has care of a sick child. That's it.

See above. He does not have any legal right to do that. the law is clear. If he has not lately taken 18 weeks of parental leave then he can request 1 whole week of unpaid parental leave but he is not entitled to take paid or unpaid time off to look after the child because his wife is sick.

He can take time off to make care arrangements for someone to care for a sick child or to take the child to the doctor (the child is not ill in this case so wouldn't apply).

AlbertaDewdrop · 02/10/2016 14:22

Unfortunately in most employers eyes, 24-48 hours is sufficient time to organise childcare

I think that most would say half a day is enough time to arrange childcare or even a couple of hours.

LaurieMarlow · 02/10/2016 14:27

Sounds like self esteem is a big issue. He's neither the main income earner or DD primary carer. He might feel pretty shit about that.

In which case, feeling needed in work is important to him. He doesn't want to upset his bosses because that might negatively impact the relationship and he's worried about losing the fulfilment of the 'good employee' badge.

I'd have a good chat with him. See if you can get to the underlying causes.

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 14:34

Apparently they can't let him have the time off unless he has a doctors note for himself, they will not accept my one for my workplace, and even though his contract days are Tuesday and Wednesday they've told him he needs to be in tomorrow as usual at 6am.

As I understand it, this is false. He should just ring in sick tbh. They have to prove he isn't sick. And for a one off, they won't. Yo do not need a doctors note for the first week (I think it is) of an illness.

citybushisland · 02/10/2016 14:40

A better job? maybe the job is a good job for his education, experience and skills.

Terrible working conditions, and lack of basic respect from bosses - that equals a terrible job. It's not always about the actual work you undertake but the conditions surrounding it, and this company sound pretty terrible to me. Also, it's having a negative effect on the family. Maybe he doesn't feel he deserves better? Sometimes that happens when you've been ground down at work - your confidence goes and you can't see how to change things.

AlbertaDewdrop · 02/10/2016 14:44

Op. Would you take a day off if he was sick on 1 of his childcare days? Have you ever done that?

FuriousWifeNeedsCalming · 02/10/2016 15:13

I don't think his work his beneath, and although everything is joint money he knows that he's working to keep DD in her nursery which she loves. He's always told me that gives him purpose.

I do think he lacks confidence when it comes to his job, the management are known for being really bad and have bullied people out of a job only a few days after they've started. He knows this, and I don't think has the confidence to look for another job as he feels he won't be "good enough".

I always take time off if DD can't go into Nursery, as I have the option to work from home in those circumstances. DH has never needed a sick day, and has gone into work with coughs, colds and sore throats. However I'd happily take the day off if he needed me (or WFH).

I'm going to have a chat with him tonight. I don't think he realises this isn't a case of me being able to WFH, my doctor told me to not even bother Self certifying and has signed me off work for 2 weeks. I should be able to get DD to Nursery on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and he's working after her bedtime on Friday and Saturday so I'll just have to manage bedtime alone Friday so he literally needs to take tomorrow off to look after her.

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GerdaLovesLili · 02/10/2016 15:14

I think that most would say half a day is enough time to arrange childcare or even a couple of hours.

Really? What of you don't have anyone who can help you? No family and no friends locally?

A childminder who doesn't know you is hardly likely to clear their books to make room for an infectious child.

toptoe · 02/10/2016 15:19

Supermarkets aren't like offices. When there is illness, someone else is called in to cover. So that's why he has the extra hours - he's probably covering other people's illness or leave. Likewise, when he is off someone has to cover him.

The problem is if someone doesn't stand their ground they can get seen as an easy target. Or they can be badgered into agreeing to something they don't really want to do. Often it happens whilst on shift eg 'so and so called in sick just now, can you stay on a few hours to help cover?'. This is even harder to say no to if you don't have a solid reason not to. You feel like you can't just say 'no, I want to go home and have some family time'. So your dh will be under pressure from the team he works with to help cover.

If you want him to have more solid hours, he needs to consider working in a different environment than a supermarket.

However, if he's happy doing it then what can you do? Really, he should have put his foot down with the parental leave. He could put his foot down now because legally he is entitled to it and you need him to do it. It's up to him to tell his boss that actually you are very ill and so is dd which means he has to take sick leave to care for you and dd.

His boss will try to get him to stay at work but the world won't end if they don't find cover for him.

Love51 · 02/10/2016 15:33

This might be a side issue, but could he put dd into nursery for an extra day tomorrow? Then you can be ill in peace tomorrow and he can work.

FuriousWifeNeedsCalming · 02/10/2016 15:36

Love51 I can ask the nursery but they told me they were full on all other days and in fact have a waiting list which is fairly long. Will get DH to ring tomorrow to see as a one off though.

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ShatnersBassoon · 02/10/2016 15:46

If he earns only enough to cover the cost of the nursery place that allows you both to work, and he's upset by you spending more time with your child, why is he going to work?

ilovesooty · 02/10/2016 15:47

Perhaps he's going to work because it gives him some self esteem.

ShatnersBassoon · 02/10/2016 15:49

Perhaps, but so could looking after the child.

FuriousWifeNeedsCalming · 02/10/2016 15:49

He doesn't want to be "doing nothing" and knows DD loves her nursery, in his own words it wouldn't be fair to not send her and he doesn't think he could be at SAHD.

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