To think this takes not vaccinating to a whole new level

[Swanlaked]

DD has a child at school who has cancer. The school sent a letter home asking all parents to please think about giving their child the MMR if they haven't had it and also to inform them immediately if any child was in contact with chicken pox.

One of the mums at the school is still refusing to have her 3DC vaccinated. No health issues it's big pharma/poison/conspiracy theory crap

AIBU at this point to think the school should seek removal of the children and tell the bloody thicko to find another school for them?

The other thing is that herd immunity concept is based on natural immunity, not temporary vaccine immunity.

www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-herd-immunity-myth-and-how-it-pits-parent-against-parent/

I just make their immune system stronger, in fact they are stronger than any fully vaccinated child I know
someone needs to go back to school

"natural immunity, not temporary vaccine immunity"

AAAAAGGH. Measles vaccine provides life-long immunity in the majority of cases, for instance. I'd get my information from someone other than that Weston A Price lunatic (aren't they the people who also suggest feeding babies formula made out of meat?).

"(aren't they the people who also suggest feeding babies formula made out of meat?)."

Answering myself, yes they are! www.westonaprice.org/childrens-health/formula-homemade-baby-formula/#lbf

Apparently, it's superior to the breastmilk of a mother who doesn't eat an optimal diet. APPARENTLY.

Jassy are you fully vaccinated?

I'm not going to waste effort pasting links, articles and studies. Everyone should do their own research and make up their own minds. I'm just bringing to the discussion a few points for people to consider. We do need to stop outsourcing decisions on our health though. Just because they tell you something is fine, doesn't make it so (smoking, asbestos, thalidomide).

www.naturalnews.com/049351_measles_outbreak_MMR_vaccine_Disneyland.html

" pretty much most non-vaccinated children are healthy and hardly ill"

If by this you mean "pretty much most children are healthy and hardly ill" I agree with you. If you mean non vaccinated children are healthier and less ill than vaccinated ones, I will ask you to produce the evidence.

"We eat apples - we laugh in the face of measles!"

yeah, good luck with that. The only reason you haven't had it is er, herd immunity so I would say you rely on it completely!

Pretty sure most of the viruses we vaccinate against couldn't give a shit about their host's diet!

leedy it's not particularly controversial to say that vaccine-mediated immunity wanes faster than disease-acquired immunity, and recent outbreaks of Measles and Mumps have been linked to vaccine immunity wearing off (going by the age groups most affected). This is a recognised problem and quite a lot of effort is currently put into developing better vaccines, including better Measles vaccines. Studies have shown that the response to MMR varies substantially with factors such as race and even whether a person is asthmatic. This has some interesting implications given that asthma rates are increasing.

Herd immunity is based on natural immunity

Everyone should do their own research

Well I'm not a scientist so conducting vaccine research and studies is not my area of expertise - but I have decided that overall, I trust BMJ as a source of information more than NaturalNews. And no big Pharma is not paying me to say that.

I am constantly amazed that people think things like Natural News and people like "Dr" Mercola are all squeaky clean and public spirited. The alternative medicine/healthy diet thing is a massive industry turning over huge profits. And they don't have to produce any evidence based supporting data for their claims. It's practically a license tompintnmoney.

Jassy are you fully vaccinated?

If you tell me why it's relevant, I'm happy to answer.

Everyone should do their own research and make up their own minds

Indeed, but I didn't want to dismiss your statement of fact as unsubstantiated and baseless without discovering whether there was in fact a reliable evidence base for the claim.

I am also amazed how they gloss over the facts about Andrew Wakefield's patent applications for an alternative vaccine that coincided with his "study".

"it's not particularly controversial to say that vaccine-mediated immunity wanes faster than disease-acquired immunity, and recent outbreaks of Measles and Mumps have been linked to vaccine immunity wearing off (going by the age groups most affected)."

It is and it isn't - the problem with the duration of MMR protection is the duration of the mumps component of the vaccine, not the measles vaccine. The measles component hasn't been shown to wear off, not from anything I've read. I do agree that some vaccine-mediated immunity does wane faster than natural immunity, and that people are working on improving that, of course. But making blanket statements as if all vaccine immunity is inferior to "natural" immunity is just misleading.

Didn't Wakefield also get something like half a million from the lawyers preparing a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers?

Yep. And the father of one of his "subject" children was involved with him in his patent application.

But I expect anti-vaxxers are fine about that.

There is already proof that many vaccinations (including whooping cough, measles, chicken pox, mumps, flu etc) are not 100% effective, so WHY, as a responsible parent would I put unnecessary and harmful chemicals (like formaldehyde) into the body of my child, increasing Their chances of getting cancer?

WHY as a responsible parent would you refuse to put vaccine into your child, thereby increasing their chance of getting encephalitis, permanent heart and lung problems, paralysis, hearing loss, and dying?

Bumbleymummy, you queried how we knew that mumps incidence had gone down since MMR, hence the figures I quoted. You've ignored the information on mumps-induced viral meningitis.

I just make their immune system stronger, in fact they are stronger than any fully vaccinated child I know

Do tell us how you tested that.

Wakefield patent was not in his name - belonged to the Royal free

"was not in his name - belonged to the Royal free"

Unknown to the Royal Free..

LadyConstance, no, I didn't. I asked what you based your comment on about the decrease in 'reported adverse consequences' of mumps since MMR. You gave figures for the number of cases in Canada (with a nearly 30 year gap between records).

Belonged to the Royal free

And it was you suggesting peer review was robust - before you backtracked

Interesting post, however I would think that any educated individual who has children would research what's in the vaccinations before pumping them into their children... Who let's face it are small and vulnerable... Vaccine studies are flawed and have bias.. This is well known and admitted. Read the vaccine inserts (the details of the vaccine, the ingredients, the fact they haven't been fully tested) make your own choice, but don't blast others for having the same choice. Oh, and shedding (look it up if unsure) - keep you poisoned vaccinated child away from me and my family

" suggesting peer review was robust - before you backtracked"

Where did I backtrack?