To think this takes not vaccinating to a whole new level

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DD has a child at school who has cancer. The school sent a letter home asking all parents to please think about giving their child the MMR if they haven't had it and also to inform them immediately if any child was in contact with chicken pox.

One of the mums at the school is still refusing to have her 3DC vaccinated. No health issues it's big pharma/poison/conspiracy theory crap

AIBU at this point to think the school should seek removal of the children and tell the bloody thicko to find another school for them?

Perhaps the school should ask that all children who have not yet had chicken pox are taKen to have the vaccine privately too - it is just as dangerous to people who are immunocompromised - but I doubt that would be as well received by everyone.

My favourite, herd immunity.
Yes I read your post in full. But I rely on herd immunity- I don't have a choice.

I agree PinkFondant. I wonder how many parents complaining about children not being vaccinated send their own children into school dosed up on Calpol when they should be at home.

ladyconstance and the people of Leicester? Vaccination rates fell to a non existent level, they endorsed strict quarantine, eradicated smallpox while the rest of the country was raging with it. I'm assuming you're also well aware of the damage smallpox vaccines did to people around that time too then?

I don't send dd in when she is too poorly. I have the odd snotty lettuce from school to prove it.

"So if vaccination is so safe, why is there vaccine damage legislation www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/overview? I don't really know why this always has to be pointed out on these threads but here we go."

For two reasons.

1. Because nothing that works is completely 100% risk free.
2. Because the drug companies were not prepared to take on any potential law suits, so the government underwrote the compensation scheme.

Yanbu
All this anti-vaccine thing is ridiculous. People have seemingly forgotten what damage measles (for example) did to children in the past.
I have an acquaintance who insists that the pharma companies already have the cure for most types of cancer and they are 'hiding' that fact for some reason. She keeps trying to share videos with my on the dreaded Facebook that apparently 'prove this'

Letter even! Snotty lettuce sounds even more horrible

Posted earlier - it's my DD that collapsed at 8 weeks post vax.
It's been ascertained that the 5 in 1 jab caused it. Had she been born a year earlier she would have had the 3 in 1 and likely been fully vaxxed safely.

I asked the NHS if it was possible to use the old style system, they said no. Took it to the CCG and my MP - no one was going to do it, they kept repeating the 5 in 1 was safe and therefore they couldn't possibly make exceptions despite the 5 in 1 manufacturer telling me to ensure she's never given it again.

The individual injections are pennies to a few pounds each. But I can't afford a private prescription or for them to be administered privately. We are a very low income family. My GP cannot find a way around it either.

So here I am worried sick every time she plays out that she could get tetanus from cutting herself. She's already been hospitalised from contracting a bacterial infection routinely vaxxed against. Because I won't follow the standard NHS protocol they won't proceed with any further vaxxing until the 5 in 1 is done, not the MMR, not anything.

I've been fighting this for 8 years now...

Well said mycolour. I'm very pro vax but very strongly anti compulsion. It's a terrible idea.

yawnyawn thanks, I wish everyone else did the same too. Schools obsession with attendance is another of my bugbears - keeping a poorly child off school is the socially responsible thing to do, why this discourage it is beyond me

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That's horrible, Bishops. What a battle. Have you tried another GP (I know you've had a brick wall from CCG and MP). Have you spoken to Citizens Advice Bureau?

One of my 5 kids is unvaccinated due to an adverse reaction to 2 different sets of jabs, one at 10 weeks and again at 10 months. I am not sure how I would deal with this issue. The health of my child over the health of someone else's child? I am really not sure, It's a difficult one.

To those who are in favour of compulsory vaccination, how would you enforce it? How would you make the parents have their child vaccinated? Would you extend this to adults who might have missed a vaccination?

BTW I'm not anti vaccination, I just think there must be a better way than that.

Yawn believe me it's not GP level causing the problem! It's CCG level - been as high as I can go in all directions.

My mum was one of these nut jobs. I remember being unable to eat properly and having a bad temperature with mumps. It was very sore. I'm alive and have natural immunity I presume to MM & R but I could have done without being that ill. I remember them all and it wasnt fun.

This is my all time favourite scene from House:

What I really want to know is - and this is a genuine question not being snarky but I was too much of a wimp to start my own thread - people who don't vaccinate their children, if they have cats for example do they still give them the vaccines like cat flu and all that stuff? Or does antivax apply to pets as well?

I disagree with those on this thread who say children shouldn't be vaccinated against their parent's wishes. When parents choose not to vaccinate it's not their own body they're risking, it's their child's. Their child isn't given a choice.

I was that child, with the antivaxxer parent, and I consider it to be child abuse and medical neglect (unless the decision is for sound health reasons). I would strongly support the state taking an evidence based approach and mandating certain vaccines / treatments for children, as parents are not always the best people to do so.

Stopping those children going to scool would punish the child, not the parents. Far better to enforce appropriate healthcare than to punish children.

They probably do vaccinate pets. There is no NHS for pets so they have to pay if their pets get sick.

The NHS will pay for the treatment of any illness a child has simply because the parent hasnt bothered to vaccinate.

Professor - ime, my antivaxxer parents wouldn't even take me to a doctor when seriously ill (pneumonia) because they were so paranoid/deluded, let alone bothering to look after the cat's health appropriately.

Compulsion I think is a dangerous step. It has too many echoes of nazi Germany. consent is a fundamental principle of health care. Unfortunately even places like the USA has dreadful history on that: Tuskegee etc. I don't want the uk to go down that road.

I don't think incentives are fair either. To push people when they are not fully in agreement is wrong.

Bishop - speak to CAB. Make sure you take all relevant correspondence with you. If you can face it, prepare a timeline to match it. If you are missing any relevant records, ask for copies. Don't hold off seeing the CAB until you get everything, though.

Professor- no cattery will accept an unvaccinated cat. If that's not an issue then I imagine anti-vax cat owners don't bother with that either.

But the patient (the child) isn't the one making these decisions and giving. It's their parents, and I consider it to be abuse