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To think many people don't understand fostering

109 replies

Thefishewife · 22/09/2016 15:54

There have been a fair few threads about foster children being treated differently with family's to hard or to soft

Aibu to think people don't realise your not a law on to yourself and can't just do what you want some social workers and birth parents are fab and just let you get on meaning to can do as you see fit but some sw and birth parents are a nightmare wanting to control evey aspect of the child from a far even trying to tell you what they want you to feed the children

when your thinking about behavioural management as a foster carer you having to take on board the views of the following people

The child's social worker
Your social worker
The Health visitor
The reviewing officer
The child's guardian
Nursey
gp

And the birth parents
All will have Diffrent views of how things should be done often a plan is made and you the one who actually looks after the child has to try and follow it

Also even for foster carers of older children because your not the legal parent they can always appeal to there sw about any punishment that is given I would imagine most people would find parenting diffcult if Somone else had a Vito over any punishment you dished out

For for example I may take away pocket money from my children but my foster child's sw may not agree with that course of reprimand so you can't do it hence your child and the foster child end up being treated Diffrently is easily done

And on another note the children may need to be treated Diffrently due to therapeutic reasons I am quite a shouty mum usually but we did have one little girl that I absolutely couldn't be this way with she was way to fragile

I would like to think I loved all the children as my own but it saddens me to say I couldn't treat them as my own I simply wasn't allowed to

I had children who were not allowed to attend Cubs and because of there legal status I had to go along with it I had one child who I couldn't take on Hoilday eveyone went to Disney land birth mum would give over the passport to be fair sw tried everything she wouldn't have it in the end my kids went with there dad and I stayed at home with my FC however we ened up having this girl for 4 years and tbh I needed a Hoilday so we put her in respite when we went away I guess it did look like we were dumping her and running off on Hoilday with our own kids to People who didn't know us but what things look like and the reality of getting passports off birth parents or getting to sighn consent forms for clubs or party's when there trying to retain every bit of control is a nightmare

That's what most don't foster it's bloody hard

In a ideal world the sw would just give you the children trust the assments they have done and let you get on not many foster carers experience fostering like that.🙁

Any questions please ask as I am sure myself and all the lovey mumsnet foster carers will be happy to answer

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AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 07:17

" do the birth parents often get the FC back in their care? Or is it until they are adopted by a different family? "

you do know that sometimes the 'birth parents' or 'parents' as we like to say are eg ill or disabled, do not have any family or co-parent, and that is why their children are in care.
What I am saying is that there are many different reasons for children to be in FC.

FedupofbeingtoldIcantusemyname · 23/09/2016 07:27
  • I would imagine most people would find parenting diffcult if Somone else had a Vito over any punishment you dished out-

-Meetings are endless, fucking endless, and involve a revolving door of professionals some of whom will fundamentally disagree with what you feel is in the childs interest-

This can be exactly what it is like for birth parents dealing with ss too.

A pp pointed out that not all birth parents are neglectful, awful or chaotic. Some are victims themselves. While I totally see your points about bp making life difficult for fc, I imagine with all the intervention going on they are just trying to maintain a toe hold of involvement in their child's lives. Especially when sw just ignore their opinions or wishes and do what they want, or assume that they are lying.

As an example, my dsis had ss involvement. Her Ds had a problem with soiling himself but she was confident it was a behavioural rather than physical issue. The school nurse decided this was because he was constipated and ordered him to be given a large dose of medication which would essentially induce chronic diarrhoea for 3 days. Dsis didn't want to do this because she felt it was unnecessary and would cause her Ds to be really unwell for no reason. She even took dn to the gp who categorically confirmed he wasn't constipated and didn't need the medication. When she told the nurse and the sw this she was accused of denying dn the medication because she couldn't be bothered to look after him at home for 3 days. She was ordered to give it anyway. Any refusal would have been taken as further 'evidence' of her 'refusing to engage' with the ss. She couldn't win either way!

lasttimeround · 23/09/2016 07:32

Well said op. I saw that thread and while I don't know much about fostering i thought I can see so many reasons why a carer would need to treat a foster child differently. As well as how much more complex ghdn whole situationBix in terms over how many people have input.
Thsnks for posting this.

AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 07:42

I knew an older kid in foster care, recently.
His Foster Mother had to call the police if he was not in by a certain time, and that was not her choice.
On the other hand she would dole out pocket money and give him half of what she would give her real children.
He went back to Ireland to his dad and I do not blame him.

frankleigh · 23/09/2016 07:52

Lots of things I'd never properly thought through here, thanks for posting fishewife. It's something we've thought about but we're clearly not ready yet.

Flowers and thank you to everyone who takes on these roles.

totalrecall1 · 23/09/2016 08:13

I do sometimes think about doing this. Not for the money in anyway as we don't need that, but to give a child a better home. This thread has put me off entirely. Particularly the point about the sexual abuse of the 5 year old. But also I had no perception that it would be so difficult to integrate them into everyday family life I.e holidays etc. Well done to everyone that does this, but it's certainly not for me.

AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 08:17

That's right. My son was slagging off his friend's foster parents that looked after friend and his brother when their parents could not. He said they would go on holiday without the boys. When I pointed out that they were probably not allowed to take them/the boys maybe did not have passports/the real parents had put a stop to it, son looked really surprised....
However I do think that if you take on two vulnerable teens, putting them in respite care so that you can jaunt off abroad is a bit nasty. Why not have a holiday in the UK?

callycat1 · 23/09/2016 08:24

I was in care for a short time and YANBU, OP.

Ada I don't think it's that simple, as having a holiday in the UK. My foster parents were amazing but I didn't begrudge them a holiday. I really loved them. The only thing I wish is they'd let me stay longer with them, as I had to get my own place before I was ready.

Whathaveilost · 23/09/2016 10:11

ADA many of our foster parents dotake holidays in the uk. They also ask to take the foster children. In many cases the abswer is no either from birth parents or from SW. Its not done out of nastiness.

That said some do get approval. One of 'our' children in children's services went to Dpain this summer with his foster carers and their extended familt. Abiut 23 of them! The kid had a whale of a time!

AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 11:28

Yes but you are more likely to get permission for a UK holiday aren't you?
Anyway it does seem that people round here (high unemployment, economic deprivation) that SOME people do it to receive an income, not because they care about the children. and before anyone starts, I said SOME people.

Kitsandkids · 23/09/2016 12:21

Don't be put off total, and anyone else who's been thinking about fostering. Look into it in your area as different areas seem to allow different things. A pp said she wasn't allowed to take foster children camping. I didn't even have to ask. I just told the sw on a quick visit to see the kids that we were going camping and she just said 'have fun.'

That said, I am a long term fosterer, so my boys will stay with me now until they're adults (and leave of their own free will. I'm not going to kick them out the door the day they turn18 just because I'll no longer get an allowance for them. They're as much 'my kids' now as they can be and I treat them as such). So the rules are probably a bit different. I started off as 'short term' with them and I did have to inform parents of any holidays we were going on. Fortunately they agreed, but I think if they hadn't the sw would have stepped in to try to persuade them. I didn't have to ask them when I wanted to sign them up for Beavers though, or take them to family parties or anything else. And my kids are photographed everywhere. Mum and Dad know where we live, they know the kids' school. There is no reason for me to say no if we're out at a local event and a photographer asks to take pictures for their newsletter or whatever. I do appreciate though that in lots of cases there are reasons why this can't be allowed, but in other cases, like my children's, it's fine.

AllegedSaboteur · 23/09/2016 15:22

do the parents get the kids back?

It's case by case.

In the decade my relative has been doing it every child has had a different backstory and a different outcome.

AllegedSaboteur · 23/09/2016 15:32

MrsDeVere

Oh absolutely with the babies! Your experience echoes many I have heard, babies being dragged all over the place against their best interests, so that the parents can have this monitored, usually unsuccessful, negative, contact and this process goes on for YEARS to the childs detriment before it's eventually ruled at 3 they can go for adoption, sometimes to family, sometimes not, when they could have had improved adoption chances as a baby.

CheshireChat · 23/09/2016 16:26

I actually do know someone who does it for the money. And he's absolutely fabulous and caring and has been doing it for a looong time, long enough in fact for his previously fostered kids to bring their kids over.

He generally takes in older teens as he says their the hardest to place.

Another FP asked for the little boy to be placed with someone else as they can't cope with his additional needs unfortunately. Not helped by the fact their own family went through a massive upheaval recently.

Thanks for this thread OP, I didn't know a lot of this and it's definitely opened my eyes a bit.

CheshireChat · 23/09/2016 16:29

When I say he does it for the money I mean that he treats it as you would a job not that he isn't great with the kids.

BeaLola · 23/09/2016 17:04

I think it is an amazingly hard and difficult role to take on and I know I couldn't do it. We have adopted and I am very thankful that our son was with same lovely FC the whole time except for respite when they were on holiday etc before he came to us.

OurSW was lovely - he had 3 different ones in the time it took for paperwork and court dates to be finalised and for us to adopt him - one of those was horrendous and I had to bite my tongue on more than one occasion. She didn't even bother to turn up for his adoption hearing which nearly derailed everything. She was appalling and we weren't the only ones who thought so. I think FC said he had over8 SW in 4 years and this wasn't unusual for the LA children in her care.

He was so lucky that FC were really lovely kind and caring people and he and the other children were very much treated as part of their family. I will be forever grateful for the love and care they showed our son.

AdaLovelacesCat · 23/09/2016 17:08

well to be honest if he is fostering teens, he would not be able to work outside the home anyway - there would be endless meetings with social workers and so on, all in work time. So the money should reflect this.

Bubblebloodypop · 23/09/2016 17:14

This has just made me reconsider something. I had a friend in long term foster care and her foster parents gave her an allowance every month, they would feed her 3x a day but any 'extras' had to be paid for from allowance (like 20p for a can of coke) she also had to buy all of her own clothes. It has struck me now that this was probably about teaching her independence as there was a chance she would be on her own from 16 (I think). I always used to think this seemed cold but you've given me a new insight. YANBU.

AllegedSaboteur · 23/09/2016 17:22

Yes, it sounds very harsh, but it was probably to teach her life skills, and budgeting and awareness of cost of things. I think it's cruel the way so many are cast out at 16 or 18, resulting homelessness is common, there was a very upsetting program on it not long ago. Kids talking about how they knew they weren't wanted and were treated second class.

NavyandWhite · 23/09/2016 17:39

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mycatsmellsnice · 23/09/2016 17:40

NC for this. Over the past 20 years I have been a Children's Social Worker, Children's Guardian, Foster Carer and am now an Adopter.

My experience of being a foster carer has not been very mixed. We've had some excellent professionals working with us, some incompetent/dangerous ones. When you get the incompetent/dangerous ones they create chaos and incredible stress for family life.

I understand completely the need for rules and regulations, looked after children are some of the most vulnerable in our society and the approach to their welfare must be 'belt and braces, I understood this at the outset. However I was not prepared for the distress and frustration caused by some professionals.

Recent examples:

When our child (then fostered) was approaching moving up to secondary school we had done a lot of research (spoken to parents, teachers, OFSTED reports etc, and spoken at length to our child with regard to her wishes). We were told by the SW (who had to fill the school application form in due to us not having PR) that she would consult with our child before deciding which school. She didn't hink we were capable of making the right choice apparently.

Our child has a brother with whom she has regular contact. Years ago the decision was made (by soc servs in conjunction with the police) that contact at each other's houses was a security risk so contact was to be in the community. Our SW took our child out one day. Child told SW she missed seeing her brother at his house. SW told my child that she would try and get the arrangement changed so she could go back to visiting her brother at his home. The SW did not relay this conversation with me or bother checking why the contact arrangements were as they were. I only found out because my child later relayed the conversation to me.

Our child had diagnosed disinhibited attachment disorder prior to the most recent SW being allocated. One of her worrying behaviours was being inappropriately familiar with strangers. Sitting on their knees, inviting them up to her bedroom within minutes of them entering our house. The SW, within 15 minutes of meeting us for the first time, asked our daughter to show them her bedroom. We had spent literally years with our daughter on appropriate boundaries.

During the adoption process our daughter had a meeting with the SW. Our daughter told the SW she would like to see her birth mum (no contact between daughter and birth mum due to birth mum dropping out of contact with no explanation 7 years earlier). The SW did not think it relevant for me to be told of this request. The only reason I was made aware of the conversation was that during the meeting a TA was present and heard the conversation. The TA asked the SW if she was planning on informing me of this conversation and the SW said not. The TA, fortunately, realised how hugely significant and potentially massive this conversation was and duly informed me.

As I said earler our daughter was diagnosed with DAT years ago but the new SW and new looked after nurse seemed to think our parenting was the cause of our daughter's emotional/social difficulties. They tried to force us to go to CAMHS (we'd attended CAMHS some years previoulsy at our own request, tht's where the diagnosis came from) and suggested she needed psychotherapy. We disagreed that this was the right course of action at that particular point and were made to feel, in no uncertain terms, that we were being obstructive and not putting our daughter's needs first. Looked after nurse, when challenged, admitted she had never worked with attachment disordered children before so did not have any prior experience of it.

Oh and said looked after nurse, at our first meeting, told me my parenting was too restrictive and setting our child up to fail because I had restrictions on her playing out re physically how far from the house she could play and was not to talk to strangers (as previously mentioned her behaviour around unknown adults made her extremely vulnerable.

Also, 9 years into placement we were suddenly told that no-one could stay at our house overnight, nor could we as a family stay anywhere overnight with our child unless everyone over 18 was DBS checked. I couldn't even let mu mum or any of my family take her to the park or be left in the house with her for 5 mins whilst I went to the shop. Everyone went through the process of DBS checks but no-one ever came back to us to confirm that we could have family staying or stay with them.

There are many other examples, I could go on all day. In and amongst this I was trying to raise a very vulnerable child with challenging behaviour and give her a normal family life. This was highly stressful in itself but the additional unnecessary interference in our lives, and the level of ridiculous policing and criticism of our parenting was just mind blowing

She's adopted now thank god and we no longer have to suffer this stressful nonsense. Due to our parenting style our daughter has overcome many of her behavioural and emotional difficulties. The art therapist currently working with her says she is an incredibly wise, emotionally intelligent child. Very happy, very settled and,she believes this is the the result of very high quality nurturance and care we have provided her with.

Would I advise anyone to foster now, not a chance. I love my daughter dearly and am incredibly proud of her achievements, but if I'd known what was to come I don't think I would have put myself through the process of fostering.

J0kersSmile · 23/09/2016 17:40

You're right. I was in care and it really felt like my social worker was on my side. So if I wanted something my various foster parents wouldn't buy me I'd get my social worker to try and get it. I'm not talking about expensive items I'm talking about having proper butter instead of marg or a nice cereal instead of weetabix or brown bread toast. It's really hard for the fc to have to cope with different ways of doing things as you just want what's normal to you but everyone's normal is different.

I suppose sw have to build a relationship with the child/yp and the only way they can is to be on their side which unfortunately causes a divide and makes the foster parent the bad guy. I probably needed to be parented as if I was a real part of the family but as a teenager it just doesn't work as like I've just said everyone's normal is different.

It's a very hard job and I think local authorities should pay more to avoid using agencies and pay pensions. Its a hard job its not like normal parenting. Even things like being able to go out is almost impossible and the pay should reflect the job they do.

mycatsmellsnice · 23/09/2016 17:41

HAS been very mixed!

MrsDeVere · 23/09/2016 17:45

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Igotboredofmyotherusername · 23/09/2016 18:00

One of my aunt's recent foster children had to be taken each day to contact in a Wacky Warehouse type place for three hours a day. This was at the parent's request and the sw's had gone along with it. Right after school so the child was utterly exhausted, hungry and miserable. The child used to beg not to have to go but sw just said to aunt that she should be doing a better job of encouraging them to go.

Years ago we were going to take a family trip to the seaside- aunt and uncle, cousins, kids and us. Social Services refused on the basis that we might not be able to save the child in the event of drowning.

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