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AIBU?

To give her an ultimatum?

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SparkleSoiree · 14/09/2016 09:53

DD and her GM (my mother) usually enjoy a fairly nice relationship to the point DD has holidayed with her GM several times over the years in this country and abroad. DD is nearly 16 and is now fairly vocal in challenging the boundaries that have surrounded her over recent years, naturally as she develops her own ideals and beliefs and matures. We have relaxed most of these boundaries now to the point she now makes most of her own decisions, priorities her own school work (good grades), has a lovely group of friends and makes good choices for her health and wellbeing. During the drive back from a weekend away with her GM, visiting a family member, a situation developed in the car between them that has resulted in the breakdown of communication between them that neither will speak to the other. The situation in the car was that GM made a racist comment about two other drivers. DD was upset about this and called GM out on it. GM told her she could say what she wanted and this escalated into a heated situation where DD said GM called her a couple of horrible names, told her she was nothing special, laughed at her when DD cried and then refused to speak to her for the remaining 2hrs on the way home. GM says she did make the racist comments and can do so if she likes, that my DD is no angel and I haven't seen the vile, ugly side to her personality and there is no way she is ever speaking to my DD again unless DD apologies to GM. DD doesn't want anything to do with her again, such was her upset.

So, we are all going to the States for christmas this year including DM. DM is meant to be sharing hotel room with DD and DD is point blank refusing to be anywhere near her saying nobody in her family has ever hurt her in the way GM did and why should she have to katow to GM. The balance of the holiday is due in mid October and I'm not happy about GM coming if this issue is not cleared. It's christmas time, we will have paid a lot of money to go there and I don't want a horrible atmosphere because 2 members of the party aren't speaking, specifically DD not enjoying her christmas and being forced into a situation that she should have a clear choice about. My thinking is that it should be my mum that doesn't come as she is the adult and refusing to accept that she WAS being offensive with her racist comments and that she overreacted to save her own embarrassment when DD didn't play along with her.

For the record, I know the sarcastic side of my DD that DM refers to and to be honest, compared to when my son was a teen, DD is a smooth dream and I can put up with a bit of sarcasm. I think my mum's dig at DD's "vile personality" is that DD didn't comply to her usual controlling methods which made her angry. GM's belief is that she is an elder and DD should respect her and comply with what she says, regardless of DD's feelings.

AIBU to give my mum an ultimatum that she either grows up and approaches DD with a view to resolving this amicably or that we will have to travel without her at christmas time?

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LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 14/09/2016 13:36

I think your mother feels embarrassed and humiliated at being called out by your DD. I imagine she probabl tried to dismiss or minimize the racist thing she said, fully expecting your DD to let it go, but she clearly stood her ground which has made your mother feel that she shouldn't have to suffer loss of face at the hands of a sixteen year old.

So she's retaliated by (in her eyes) trying to bring your DD down a peg or two.

She owes your DD an apology. The holiday should not go ahead with her as planned until this is sorted or it will be an awful atmosphere for everyone and will ruin Christmas. You need to give her an ultimatum. She either makes a genuine apology to your DD or you will be forced to remove her from the holiday booking and you will go without her.

But if she agrees to apologize then you need to get your DD to also agree to accept it with good grace and move on.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 14/09/2016 13:45

Sounds like a good plan, Sparkle :)

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SparkleSoiree · 14/09/2016 13:45

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe I think it's highly likely you are correct.

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SparkleSoiree · 14/09/2016 13:46

Thanks ThumbWitchAbroad.

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PovertyPain · 14/09/2016 13:47

From the information you've given, OP, it sounds like your M is a bully. Thus might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Just imagine the atmosphere on holidays if this happened when you were all stuck together. Your M sounds like she's treating it as one big joke and she can say what she likes. It's about time she realised she can't get away with it.

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paranormalish · 14/09/2016 16:03

I think your mother feels embarrassed and humiliated at being called out by your DD. I imagine she probabl tried to dismiss or minimize the racist thing she said, fully expecting your DD to let it go, but she clearly stood her ground which has made your mother feel that she shouldn't have to suffer loss of face at the hands of a sixteen year old.

Nail head hit.

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SparkleSoiree · 04/10/2016 10:34

Update:

I raised the topic with my mum a couple of times since this thread about working things out with DD as DD was literally traumatised at what happened and it has really made her ask questions about her relationship with her GM. Each time DM became more animated about how cross she was with DD so I dropped it. Then my DS came to me and said GM has said she is waiting for an apology from DD as she felt threatened and scared in the car with DD. DM told me that she has discussed this with all of her friends and they are all disgusted with DD and DD has to apologise.

Anyway I text DM at the weekend asking her if she had considered our upcoming holiday and the awkward atmosphere that will prevail if she doesn't resolve things with DD. Again, a sarcastic text in return stating that DD has to apologise to her. I replied with that fact that as the issue wasn't resolved and is not likely to be soon and the balance of the holiday has to be paid next week that the best course of action would be to refund her deposit and not go on the holiday together. I apologised to her as I knew she would be upset about not coming with us but I've just had enough of it all and had to make a decision and I was NOT going to force DD back into that situation. I didn't get a reply to that text and to be honest I knew she would be upset and wouldn't be able to reply. I did it via text because DM is vicious in an argument and despite best efforts to remain logical and calm it always has to descend into me shielding myself from her vitriol. It's rather nasty to be honest.

Well, yesterday I got an email from "DM" unleashing her full anger at me, no mention of DD. She says that I've "shafted her", and she "shouldn't have expected anything more from a daughter who could throw their own mother out into the street" and she believes she was "never welcome on this holiday" amongst other unpleasant and untrue things. She then went on to say that as far as she is concerned our relationship has irretrievably broken down and she does not ever want to see me or have anything more to do with me again.

So. I'm trying very hard not to be upset as it's not the first time my mum has tried to reject me, the last time being 16yrs ago but I'm not sure where to go from here. I know she's upset that I didn't back her over my daughter but out of her 4 children I'm the last one she has a relationship with and I don't want to walk away from her.

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SapphireStrange · 04/10/2016 10:42

I'm sorry OP, and I hear you about not wanting to walk away from her. Although I do think it's telling that none of your siblings has a relationship with her.

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Inyournightdress · 04/10/2016 10:46

Your mother sounds like my grandmother op. Perfect as passive aggression and has gone through life falling out with people because of the smallest slight. (My GM hasn't spoken to her sister in fifteen years because my aunt asked my gm not to bring her best friend round next time she visited. A year later gm also fell out with said friend over something equally trivial)

I think with people like this often there is nothing you can do as engaging is like talking to a brick wall and disengaging just leads to a silent treatment. This is a really shit situation but you've done the right thing sticking by your daughter. Flowers

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JulietteL · 04/10/2016 10:51

I'm sorry your DM has reacted like this: though from your previous comments this was rather predictable.

I just wanted to reassure you that you have totally done the right thing. Your description of your DD reminded me heavily of myself at the same age. If this had happened to me then I would have been devastated if my mum had tried to intermediate or smooth things over. I would have felt chastised and unsupported - and that family harmony was being prioritised over fairness. Your DD did a brave and principled thing by standing up to your DM and what she believes is right - you needed to back her completely and I'm so pleased that you have. She's a real credit to you.

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RabbitsNap01 · 04/10/2016 10:51

maybe you should send a polite email back saying that perhaps she should reflect on the fact that you're the only child she still has a relationship (so far) and that you're prepared to talk further when she's calmed down and can talk sensibly. You should point out that her friends aren't her family and they don't have a responsibility to tell her hard truths, that it's not worth her burning her bridges with her few remaining members of the family she has contact with.

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BarbarianMum · 04/10/2016 10:53

Of course you are upset that the relationship with your mum has broken down, that's totally understandable Flowers. But I suggest that you take this opportunity to reinforce your own boundaries and ensure any future relationship with her is on your terms. Withdraw contact - no email, no calls, no flying monkeys- and see how you go. You know that your relationship with your (immediate) family are more important to you than yours with your mum. Now it is time for her to realise that too.

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dowhatnow · 04/10/2016 11:04

Oh how hard for you.

Reply that it is her choice. That you were hoping to move forward in a positive way as the holiday indicated, but that no matter what the difference of opinion is, nobody deserves to be called names or be slated.
If you want to, you could say that the door is open if she wants to move forward and you'll leave it to her to reflect on what she has said to you.

Tbh the healthy thing is to accept that she isn't really worthy of having your lovely family in her life if she can turn on you all at the slightest difference of opinion. Harder said than done though.

You've set strong boundaries now. Make sure you keep them. The ball is in her court.

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LucyInTheSkyWithDonuts · 04/10/2016 11:18

You have done the right thing. Your mother has shown her true colours, she adds nothing but spite and pain to your life.

Prepare to life your life without her, cherish your children and your siblings. Don't look back.

Good luck, it's not easy Flowers

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HarryPottersMagicWand · 04/10/2016 11:23

That's really tough OP.

You really do need to remind yourself that out of 4 children, 3 don't speak to their own mother for a reason.....

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ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 04/10/2016 11:28

Surely what this test does is reduce the miscarriages because of invasive testing.

How is that a bad thing?

Whether someone will abort or not, they will do so based on other tests as well, so that didn't change a thing.

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ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 04/10/2016 11:29

Sorry, wrong bread!

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Redken24 · 04/10/2016 12:02

Ignore her and enjoy your holiday with the people who matter.

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SparkleSoiree · 04/10/2016 12:13

Thank you everyone. I will take it as an opportunity to strengthen boundaries and when I feel ready will respond to her email appropriately.

Gah.

The upside is that I have amazing kids who have shown me their own strength in relation to their mother where I have been weak and that has bowled me over. I am learning from them all the time.

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SparkleSoiree · 04/10/2016 12:14

their = my

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FleurThomas · 04/10/2016 12:21

User- not sure 'accepting it' is a valid option to give to a 16 year old girl in the UK for racism. This is how racism is internalized & why it spreads like a fucking disease. OP's DD is right here. Racism is never acceptable. OP should put her foot down and make her mum apologise. If not, cut her off. Calling a 16 year old names just because she called you out is an insane thing to do.

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PatriciaHolm · 04/10/2016 12:35

You haven't walked away. She's shoved you away as hard as she can (yet expects you to bounce back again regardless of how much it hurt).

Focus your time and energy on family who love you, not ones who want to control you. Your kids sound great and a credit to you. Honestly, I would let this be an end to any sort of relationship with her, she's simply not worth the grief.

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jollygoose · 04/10/2016 12:40

what sort of granny announces she will not speak to her gd again, as a granny myself there is nothing in this world that could ever make me say this.
Yes older people tend to be less aware of being racially offensive but she needs to get over it and apologise and as for saying such dreadful things about her gd unforgiveable.

Imo granny either apologises and makes up or stays home Christmas.

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HPandBaconSandwiches · 04/10/2016 12:41

Oh OP your mum has done such a number on you. You poor thing. You're so obviously still trying to appease her and make everything right.

But you're strong. Look how you've chosen to back your DD. You don't need her and I honestly think you'll find life much more pleasant without her influence.

Keep being strong and be happy. Allow yourself time to grieve for the relationship but stop trying to fix it. If anyone made my dd feel like that they'd have to come with a true and grovelling apology - I certainly wouldn't go looking for one.

How truly amazing that you've raised your dd with such appropriate freedom that she feels able to speak out. You should be very very proud of yourself.

Enjoy your holiday Flowers

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jollygoose · 04/10/2016 12:43

Sorry had not caught up with your last post op, you have done the right thing, your dd who sounds amazing should come first.

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