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To think vanity sizing is not just about people being fatter

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goddessoftheharvest · 10/09/2016 09:22

Not really a taat- I've been thinking about this every time it pops up on MN

Any thread about weight, there's always comments about how vintage size 12s were tiny, and the equivalent today would be a size 16. This serves to point out how people are getting gradually fatter without really noticing.

Aibu to think that might be a bit simplistic?

People nowadays have access to almost unlimited junk, yes, but they also have access to affordable vitamins, milk etc

My great granny was tiny, but she was raised on bread and tea in a slum with 8 siblings, two of them had rickets, and she was riddled with arthritis from a relatively young age

My gran (her daughter) had a marginally better upbringing, but not much- less children, better housing, more to go round, but still a restricted diet, no heating etc. She is a little taller than my great granny, about 5'3. Much healthier too, as she has had access to better food and living conditions from young adulthood

My mum is 5'4, and although she's still small, she's not as noticeably tiny as the other women in the family. Was still very poor through her childhood at times

I have had access to better food and housing etc than any of them, and I am much bigger. I am 5'6 and even at 7 stone I couldn't fit into some of my mum's clothes because my shoulders are so broad

My dad's family were poor, but they were country people. They got fresh air, sunlight, grew their own vegetables, liberated the occasional pheasant. Anecdotally they all seemed a bit taller/longer lived than the town lot

Also I see loads of old photos where the women are short, but quite round/stocky. So not necessarily fat, but not sylph like size 8 either

So aibu to think it's probably down to better nutrition and lifestyle as well? I see similar with friends my age too. We are all taller than our older female relatives. One of my friends is a power lifter and she would never fit into vintage clothes, but she is super healthy and just pure muscle- that would have been unusual back then too

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Thefitfatty · 12/09/2016 16:25

There not their

Runningupthathill82 · 12/09/2016 16:39

GAP is mad, thefitfatty - in terms of sizing, I reckon Gap and Next are the worst for being all over the place.

I recently had to charity shop a pair of size 8 Gap 1969 "straight" jeans as they wouldn't stay up anymore. But I have a pair of work trousers from there that are a 10 and fit just fine.

Thefitfatty · 12/09/2016 16:45

Try American Eagle running it's also all over the place. I have a size 6 dress and size 20 jeggings.
I generally like M&S in terms of fit, especially for my work clothes. I've got a range of a line dresses from 10 to 16 but they all seem to fit my shoulders, hips and waist perfect. There pants are also generally pretty good (but again all over the place in size).

nebulae · 12/09/2016 16:48

I have three pairs of Next jeans, all the same size. One pair I can't fasten, one pair fits like a glove and the other pair I can put on/take off without undoing the button/zip. It's crazy. They're different styles so I know there'll be some difference in fit etc but there shouldn't be that much difference.

HelenaDove · 12/09/2016 16:53

Florence and Fred are all over the place too.

HyacinthFuckit · 12/09/2016 16:54

I have two pairs of jeans from Primarni, same size and style but different colours, one is tight and the other loose! You expect a certain amount of variation with different styles, some trousers are skinny and some are loose fit etc. But surely they should be the same fit if they're sold as being identical except for colour?!

HelenaDove · 12/09/2016 16:58

Im a size 12/14 in most places but if i try on fitted trousers in Florence and Fred i have to go up to a 20.

Yet a size 12 top from the same place is like a tent.

Creativemode · 12/09/2016 17:05

There's got to be something in what you're saying op. Because people are getting taller and even feet are getting bigger.

Runningupthathill82 · 12/09/2016 17:21

Yep, Tesco stuff is strange Helena - I have some size 8/10 shorts from there that you'd struggle to squeeze a pipe cleaner into, but other stuff is huge.
Sainsburys, on the other hand, is generally quite reliably generous throughout.

FaFoutis · 12/09/2016 17:28

YANBU
I wish shoe manufacturers would keep up.

rookiemere · 12/09/2016 17:30

I've bought things from Boden, decided I like them, then ordered the same size in a different colour, only to find that the new item doesn't fit. Completely random.

HelenaDove · 12/09/2016 17:32

Runningupthathill Im glad its not just me.

Thefitfatty · 12/09/2016 17:33

I really do wonder about frame size though. I know lots of people with small frames. They are tiny and delicate and are easily probably underweight all the time but they look healthy. Generally they are under 5 ft 6.

I've also met models. They are generally larger framed, over 5 ft 9, but painfully thin and unhealthy looking. They look good in pictures because they always looked toned (with some photoshop). They have healthy BMIs because their frame size makes it hard to be underweight. Our photographer generally always had to smooth out rib cages and enhance thighs, butts and breasts. However I continually see this build (too thin, large framed) spouted as ideal. They also like to say these ladies are size 8. Sure. Cause their bones are.

I do think people are generally getting taller and wider. But a big issue is expecting wide frames to fit in the same sizes and BMIs as small frames.

FuzzyWizard · 12/09/2016 17:42

I agree that we often overlook the importance of height when looking at sizes. I wear a size 8 and weigh a little under 8 stone. I am not remotely slight or skinny. If anything I'm a bit on the pudgy side. What I am though is very short by today's standards. I'm 4'11" and not quite 30 yet. Back in the 1950s the average weight might have been 8 and a half stone but the average height would have been much closer to my height than today's average. If you look at clothes in museums today you can see very clearly just how much shorter people were.

Thefitfatty · 12/09/2016 18:12

Museums! Take a walk through the Tower of London and stand in some door frames! My brother (6 ft 4.5 and built like a brick shit house) and myself (the shorty of the family at only 5ft 6.5) love taking pictures of ourselves infront of doors and stairwells we have to duck to get into.

I actually went to the cu chi tunnels in Vietnam about 7 years ago, and our guide was this tiny guy, about 5 ft 3 and 90 lbs soaking wet. He told us that the majority of Vietnamese couldn't fit in the tunnels used by their parents and grandparents because proper nutrition in Vietnam meant that the population had gotten much "taller" and "wider". I use "" because by western standards the Vietnamese are neither tall or wide. And they are also not suffering the "obesity crisis". Proper nutrition makes a difference.

im my case I'm also a genetic mix of German/Norwegian and First Nations Canadians. We are not petite people.,

RegTheMonkey1 · 12/09/2016 19:55

So if I was still 34-24-36 (I wish!!!) what modern size would I be?

banivani · 12/09/2016 20:22

I took a quick look at the size charts for H&M and for Boden Reg and you're around an 8 but your bust is too big for your waist. You'll fit into nothing. ;)

RegTheMonkey1 · 12/09/2016 21:35

34 bust is too big for a 24 waist!? Fit into nothing you say? Well, I'll just stay fat in that case and not return to my youthful shape! )sobs bitterly

banivani · 12/09/2016 22:32

Well I might have read the charts wrong, do a bit of looking and double check me... ;)

PickAChew · 12/09/2016 22:55

Reg, in 1980s money, 34-24-36 would have been a perfect size 10. Now, you'd be a 4 or 6.

FuzzyWizard · 13/09/2016 06:58

You'd need a 10 to do up over your bust in most places but it would be very big around the waist. There's no way a 6 would get over a 34 bust or 36" hips. Very jealous of your previous Marilyn Monroe proportions.

Littlelondoner · 13/09/2016 08:08

I have 36" bust and 36" hips and wear a size 6 in 75% places. I am a size 7 really in some places the 8 hangs off me. Sizes really are getting bigger.

Oliversmumsarmy · 13/09/2016 08:36

Actually 34 24 36 was a size 12 in the 70s and 80s 32 22 34 was a size 10

KeyserSophie · 13/09/2016 08:49

People are definitely taller ( average 35 - 40 year old is +5cm vs someone born in 1921). I'm not sure how much of the size inflation that would account for in reality though- maybe one dress size max across the population. The comment up thread re post-menopausal women is interesting and not something I'd considered.

ShebaShimmyShake · 13/09/2016 09:06

Working in the clothing industry must be infuriating. Nobody thinks driving a car makes them a mechanic, yet wearing clothes makes us all textile, pattern cutting, scaling, retail experts.

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