To say it's time we stopped being soft on drunken yobs.

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I just wonder how long we're going to allow drunken yobs to tie up police resources, ambulance crews and hospital casualty departments. Why can't the government listen to police chiefs and toughen up. I don't know the answer, some police chiefs have said we should have drunk tanks. Whatever happens SOMETHING should be done.

Town centers at weekends are now often like the Wild West a no go area with people who just can't handle their drink, they cost the country fortunes. I just don't understand why it's being allowed to continue. What do you all think?

Unhinged? because I find it disgusting what goes on in town centers at weekends. Well if that is unhinged I must be guilty. But you are not only deluded but seem to have a problem with not being able to read my posts. What do you mean "how on earth do you know who has got drunk for the first time in 3o years"? Who the hell cares, I'm talking about people who go out, get smashed and want to fight anything that moves, and then often need 4 or 5 police officers to restrain them while getting spat in the face.

It shouldn't be happening , not only in my "perfect fantasy world" as you so childishly put it but also in yours, whatever your world is like. Why on earth have I appointed myself judge and jury to think it is all wrong. But in your world I suppose all decent law abiding people sound unhinged.

Giddy yes, stiffer punishments, what are your thoughts on 'what' can be done.

No, not really. We need to change the culture until being "out of it" is seen as a bad thing. Drunk driving is frowned upon now, the same change needs to happen with people taking this addictive and potentially harmful drug to get so high they can't control themselves.

What sort of stiffer punishments and how would they be administered in a cost effective way?

This sounds like a Matthew Wright topic.

seaviewer

I am cynical? probably but I look at things in a real manner and not through rose tinted glasses.

I have been attacked and defended myself so I know what can happen. If we followed your rules I would have a mark on my DRB that would mean that I would have to find a different job.

stiffer punishments what does that even mean though?
There are already plenty of tools for dealing with habitual offenders, bans, fines etc. Not inadequate numbers of police officers, cells and vans to deal with it.
Councils can shut down bars if they're a source of trouble. They can't afford enforcement for anything but the most severe cases though.
The tools are there but the public has to pay for them to be used.

Well I'll tell you what sooty lets do nothing shall we, same for any criminals, just let them do as they please, because you seem determined to pull to bits any reasonable remark I make. How are any "cost effective" punishments administered? There are many many things we could do to stop it but it won't happen because of the softly softly mentality in this country. Put it this way, they wouldn't put up with it anywhere else on the continent.

sea you sound very confused, you posted earlier about charging drunk people for ambulances and now talking about people brawling with 5 police officers, not sure if you have actually seen night time policing - someone who is brawling with the police is not just sent on their way or off to A&E.

You want less police time wasted on drunks but seem to be suggesting even more (scarce) policing resources thrown at town centres?

I don't know why OP is getting such a hard time. The drunken culture in our city centres is awful. Of course there's no easy answer - but it's worth a debate surely?

Lips that touch...

I'd be happy to debate ways of bringing in "stiffer punishments" if the OP had any concrete cost effective ideas, but she doesn't appear to have.

Should have posted a bigger version. Wish we could edit posts.

Tiggy. Yes!

Squeegle

It is worth a debate, but that means that both sides should be heard, without claiming that one side is getting a hard time.

I live in a university town and I used to live in an area where my house was opposite a uni shared house, we had a couple of terms with really nice, reasonable students and then we got some drunken yob type students where every fucking night was a party and they seemed bladdered at all hours day and night, eventually someone got bottled at party they had and I moved heavens and earth to move. I call the ambulance and stayed with the young lad that had been stabbed and put pressure on his wound while the woman who had stabbed him sobbed and shrieked and everyone else just carried on partying and drinking around him.

sigh we are now rolling out this wouldn't happen on the continent line - and you have an intimate knowledge of alcohol consumption, policing and criminal justice processes in every European country? Or do you think police overseas just kick the shit out of drunks or something?

From personal experience of living in a European country (Germany) there are very similar issues around alcohol consumption and associated issues with policing city centres there and no-one has easy solutions.

The way the OP is writing is probably getting on people's nerve. Just droning on and on as if she thought we would all pile into this thread and say "yeah, you're so right! Let's start a petition" ffs.
Her argument is disjointed in that she ignores and disregards people saying overweight people or runners etc should pay for their own treatment since is self inflicted but wants to do exactly that for drunken yobs. Why? Just droning on and on being all angry. Just ban alcohol and sugar. Alcohol is taxed so technically does pay for the police and NHS.

Blanche not confused at all, no I didn't say charge drunk people for ambulances at all, but fine twist my words if you wish, I also didn't talk about 5 people brawling with police, I said it can take 5 to control him, but never mind, it seems you are the one who got a bit confused there. I don't know all about he answers but you are prepared to go over my posts to nitpick. What do you think we should do, or do you not think there is a problem?

I think it is different elsewhere actually. But I'm no expert. What I do think is that this is a big issue in this country and should be handed over for the govt to take seriously. Problem is, every time that they try to do anything they are lobbied out of it by the drinks producers and retailers. It feels like that money is more important than what it costs in terms of NHS etc

And I do have knowledge of that as I used to work for a drinks retailer. The lobbying and behind the scenes work that goes on was quite astounding to me.

Your post @ 15:02

"They cost the NHS millions, ambulances that get sent out to town centers to pick up drunks means someone in genuine need might not get one. Why shouldn't they be made to pay at least some of it back"

So you didn't say charge drunk people for using ambulances at all??

As whisky said it sounds like you just wanted masses of people to say "yeah I agree with sea, lets all be angry and indignant on a Sat afternoon"

So let's be clear here. You don't have a problem with happy drunks in the town centre. You only have a problem with people being drunk and disorderly or fighty drunk. So drunk criminality? So it's not drink or drinking culture you have a problem with? It's people who commit criminal acts while drunk that offend you? So the drinking element is a red herring?

I'd be interested to hear the OP's experience and knowledge of criminal justice and substance misuse interventions.

whiskey you sound like a 10 yer old. People who smoke and do sports aren't going round causing injury and mayhem to others. So what if alcohol is taxed, that doesn't make it right.
Oh dear Blanche trawling through my posts to catch me out, how pathetic but oh so easy so you can do a bit of point scoring.
Why on earth am I expecting everyone to agree with me on Aibu. The ones that don't probably identify with the kind of people I'm talking about. But it's fine, anyway I won't keep you, I've got better things to do, you'll all have to look for another thread to take your spite and venom out on. Oh and your strange determination to not admit what every decent law abiding knows. Absolutely pathetic, now I know how Aibu gets its reputation.Byeeee