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To think excess skin removal should be available on the NHS?

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TheGoodEnoughWife · 29/08/2016 20:29

I know being fat is seen as being self inflicted although I don't agree that it is and that people over eating should be taken as seriously as people under eating. But that isn't necessarily my point here..,

I am very overweight (about 6st overweight but am tall) and one of the things in the back of my mind is that if I lose weight my saggy skin will be awful. The reality is my 'strain' on the NHS being overweight has the potential to be great - surely encouragement to lose weight would cost the NHS less in the long run?
It would be helpful maybe to me and others who need to lose a lot of weight to know that treatment for excess skin would be available to them?

Now I may get flamed about self inflicted and so on but if I drive a car badly and crash I would be treated on the NHS, if I drink like a fish and cause myself illness I would be treated on the NHS, if I go about extreme sports and hurt myself I also would get treated on the NHS.
(I don't do any of those things!)

Any one see where I am coming from?

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ollyollyoxenfree · 01/09/2016 23:36

The point is the NHS would obviously fund life saving treatments, physio etc if you'd been in car crash due to reckless driving. They wouldn't give you cosmetic plastic surgery for the scars, or fix your nose that had been broken and healed crooked

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 01/09/2016 23:59

olly I agree with that

TheGoodEnoughWife · 02/09/2016 07:31

That is a good point Olli although being fat is life threatening and the support or help is just not there

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BeautyGoesToBenidorm · 02/09/2016 07:49

But support/help IS there, in the form of weight loss groups etc. No, they're not funded by the NHS, but neither are substance addiction services, unless you count smoking clinics.

My point is, yes, being fat can be life threatening, but why should the NHS fund anything beyond surgery to prevent you eating excessively? Why should they fund a cosmetic procedure too?

BeautyGoesToBenidorm · 02/09/2016 07:58

FWIW, I work part time as an addiction support worker. We're a charity, funded by the city council for the most part, and every financial year we have to justify our existence in order to keep the funding.

The service we supply is free, right down to the medical professionals who work alongside us to provide health checks and referrals to hospital if necessary. I've attended to people on hepatology wards, who are at the end stages of liver failure thanks to alcoholism, and the NHS doesn't fund that - we're just given a room to keep our files in. I've sometimes sat with a patient, long into the night, holding their hand and reassuring them right up until they died. I don't get paid for that.

What support do you consider to be 'enough'?

Magpiemagpie · 02/09/2016 09:25

I had a gastric Sleave a few years ago
I wasn't even that overweight BMI of 32 but I had struggled to lose three /four stone for over twenty years . I wasn't classed as obese but overweight but it made me bloody miserable. I would lose some and then gain some constantly. I couldnt get it done here I wasn't big enough .
I paid privately and went abroad and had it for a fraction of the cost here in the UK .
Many of the people who were having it done were very very overweight , 20 stone plus but they all said they wished they had done it the way I was doing it - before they got that overweight and most of them will need skin surgury .
I didn't need skin surgury although my thighs are a bit wobbly it's nothing major
It was life changing for me and I've kept the weight off and my relationship with food is totally different
I think that if this option was offered on a co - pay sort of thing the benefits could be really good

iPost · 02/09/2016 11:03

Helena

re your link - I Had Cancer – And Medical Fat-Shaming Could Have Killed Me

That article is written with a rock solid conviction that had the writer not been overweight she would have been diagnosed in time to save her lung, and the delay in diagnosis was entirely due to medical professional view of her weight.

Such a conviction, particularly in light of specific facts, makes me suspect a HAES (or similar) influence on the writer's retrospective perception. Certainly there appears to be a slant that glosses over some pretty significant details.

The specific facts that I think may have had quite a lot more to do with the delay in diagnosis are:

-lung cancer in school children is incredibly rare. You'd need a medic to hear hoofbeats and think zebra to pick that up in three appointments that ended in, as the writer put it, "a reasonable recovery". (This is the point in time when her lung could have been saved, according to her specialist.)

-11 different doctors in 5 years, because like many of us, life meant the writer had to move around and that resulted in a lack of continuity of care. Which can be an issue when chronic, fluctuating symptoms are relevant to something rare and sinister going on.

-A lack of medical insurance. Meaning ongoing oversight of what had become a long standing, chronic state represented an onerous cost if provided based on need, rather than what could be afforded. Likely rendered worse when a lack of insurance was exacerbated by extensive debt incurred by ER visits.

To be honest the writer's own description of her treatment kind of rules out her weight as the primary cause of a lack of accurate diagnosis. She says herself that the one doctor she didn't feel fat shamed her -

-had access to her long history of diagnosis/treatment. (GERD, allergies, bronchitis and pneumonia)

-worked like a dog to try and work out what the underlying issue was.

-provided continuity of care

And even the non-weight mentioning doctor didn't hear hoofbeats and think Zebra. She was looking for a horse. As they do.

Pretty much it seems the only reason the writer got diagnosed at all was because she got pneumonia again and was ill enough that she saw a doctor in the ER, who generated a CT scan and a referral to a consultant.

So it sounds like until there was a serious ER requiring symptom, in combination with a long standing history chronic issues, to set off "possibly something sinister here, despite the youth of the patient" alarm bells, nobody thought "it's time to start ruling out Zebras".

I know fags/weight/booze/drugs/risky behavoirs can be factors that delay diagnosis because they are factors in so many health issues, and can send doctor after doctor up horse shaped blind alleys, again and again.

There's also the issue of the occasional doctor who has become blinded by their own prejudices and ignores the bleeding obvious.

But it doesn't read like that was a primary factor in the diagnostic delay in this case. I think the primary factors were how incredibly rare her condition was (given her age at onset) in conjunction with a lack of continuity in her medical care and her inability to pay as an uninsured person decreasing her access to healthcare.

toomanycatsonthebed · 02/09/2016 11:40

I lost 12.5 stone (dieting not surgery). The swags of loose skin seemed to tighten up over about 3 years. I wouldn't expect the NHS to deal with it, but it does require some positive body image techniques to deal with the skin swags on arms, thighs and tum.

freerangeeggs · 02/09/2016 12:45

I lost 5st about ten years ago and was left with no saggy skin at all. Don't assume it'll happen.

brasty · 02/09/2016 15:32

It is people who lose 12 - 15 stones who are left with absolutely terrible saggy skin.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 02/09/2016 17:14

Bratsy
It would seem it is not. Not even for people that have lots of excess skin. There are posts on here with people suffering and being left in a bad way.

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HelenaDove · 02/09/2016 17:17

Sally Vating should be getting this operation.

MrsSpenserGregson · 02/09/2016 17:30

Re. the OP's point about AA-type meetings for obese people / Slimming World etc. Where I live (Dorset), there is a service where you can access a 12-week programme of either Slimming World or WeightWatchers, on a GP referral. You can go to as many meetings as you like during that 12-week period. For free. Yes, for free.

Of course excess skin removal shouldn't be free on the NHS. The service is stretched to breaking point as it is.

HelenaDove · 02/09/2016 18:26

Nice choice of words in that last sentence Spenser.

brasty · 02/09/2016 18:33

Slimming World and Weight watchers does not address the psychological issues that lead to over eating. It is simply a diet service. Useful for those looking to lose weight because they have been greedy, but not for those with effectively an eating disorder.

HelenaDove · 02/09/2016 18:36

Attending diet clubs can sometimes lead to eating disorders.

I cant believe there are people on here who would advocate leaving Sally in pain and suffering.

No fucking humanity at all.

No objections to the fat cats being on 180,000 a year though. Yes......it really is all about the money!

FriendofBill · 02/09/2016 19:46

12 weeks for free, if you haven't attended swimming world before.
Your GP/nurse has to refer you.
You have a special code that singles you out from the others.
You don't just rock up.

No good if you are a lone parent, or have transport problems, anxiety or the myriad of other issues I can think of getting to meetings.

You can get free swimming lessons here too.
Swim to slim.
if you don't mind being seen in your swimsuit.
Which is not likely when so many people have fattest attitudes like those on this thread.

Runningupthathill82 · 02/09/2016 19:51

My sister got a free fitness coach, weekly classes with them, plus 12 weeks free membership of the local authority gym and swimming pools.
She also got the free WW or Slimming World (think that came first).
From the responses on this thread, it seems provision really varies by area.

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 02/09/2016 19:57

Magpie - bloody well done, that must have been so hard.

That is exactly the attitude the UK is lacking - responsibility for one's own actions.

I have a diagnosed metabolic condition that means I gain weight incredibly easily (more than 1500 kcal per day) - but I'm not overweight, because I take responsibility for my own condition and don't try to put responsibility/blame into others.

The NHS is massively overstretched, and it massively pisses me off that people won't take any kind of responsibility for themselves and try to make it Joe Taxpayer's problem.

Bearfrills · 02/09/2016 19:57

In my area you get no slimming world or weight watchers, no fitness classes, no dietician advice, no gym and no support groups. You get a print out from the nurse about food groups and told to look at the change for life website. That's it.

In the next health trust over you can get twelve weeks of meals delivered from one of those diet companies that does all the food preparation for you. You can also get twelve weeks of slimming world or weight watchers or gym membership or a fitness coach.

It's a bit of a postcode lottery.

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 02/09/2016 20:00

iPost - spot on. Another example of people blaming everyone else.

FriendofBill · 02/09/2016 20:02

Ahedgegog, fortunately you do not have the issues that some people have.
You are clearly someone in control, don't make the mistake of believing that your experience is everybody's experience.

If it was, no one would be overweight Smile

TheGoodEnoughWife · 02/09/2016 21:00

The reality is if it was that easy for everyone to be thin then they would be. It is no fun being fat. Clearly something else is acting for people.

Just because some people find it possible to keep their weight under control plenty do not.

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heyday1 · 02/09/2016 21:34

Just because some people find it possible to keep their weight under control plenty do not

Truly it is in some cases because of lack of effort or an unwillingness to really make changes. I was very overweight in the past, didn't really want to make an effort involved, was easier to eat chocolate than choose something healthy.

Also people may assume it easy to for some people to control their weight. It requires effort just as it does for those who wish to lose weight. If I eat junk, I will easily pile the weight back on. I actively make better food choices because I don't want to be fat again

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