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To not want to pick up 14 year old DD from XH's holiday

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AbbottLeguarda · 24/08/2016 20:02

Name changed as this is very identifying.

On Sunday, XH took DD (14) and DS's (16 year old twins) to Wales, along with his wife and her 2 daughters (13 and 11) It's the first time they've all gone away together, DD was really excited, it was the boys who were dragging their feet and now 3 days into the trip and the boys are loving it and DD is crying down the phone, asking me to come pick her up.

Her complaints:

No one talks to her, which I'm sure is an exaggeration, their are 6 other people there, but she said that they've all paired off, step siblings go off without inviting her, DSs' tell her to get lost whenever she's near, XH only spent 10 mins playing cards with her when she'd waited half an hour for him to finish up a game with DSs.

The cottage they're staying in has 4 bedrooms, DS's are sharing, step daughters are sharing, DD gets her own room and I think that's just made her feel more lonely. She says everyone stays up really late in their rooms, playing games, talking and she has no one.

I spoke to XH this morning about how she felt and asked if he could spend more time with her but I've just got off the phone with her begging me to come pick her up.

XH spent an hour watching a show with her and then went fishing for the rest of the day, step siblings were playing some hide and seek game with the other kids around and when she asked to play, one of the kids, not either of her step siblings who were I presume hiding at the time, told her that she wouldn't understand the rules, so she went back inside.

DS's are wrapped up in their own lives, I feel awful for her but their's only 3 more days left.

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AbbottLeguarda · 24/08/2016 21:44

This is driving me mad, picking her up will undermine XH and make things very awkward with the rest of the family, especially when she has to go back to XH's house.

Leaving her there whilst she's so miserable seems so awful.

DTwins rarely spend time together outside the home, different schools, different friends, different interests so they don't normally come in a pair. It's usually DS2 and DD who are the pair but DD says that they've made friends with some local boys and go out with them most days, DS2 did play monopoly with her before breakfast but then when she asked if she could come with them after breakfast, it was a resounding no from both Dtwins, which is when XH stepped in and said they could watch a show instead, which she did enjoy but then was left in the cottage alone.

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AnotherDayInParadiseLost · 24/08/2016 21:44

I don't think you should pick her up, for all the reasons you have said.

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WannaBe · 24/08/2016 21:45

I am Shock at the number of people here who say that they would just go and fetch her. How many of you would be happy about your ex turning up to fetch their kids from your holiday because things weren't going their way?

If a woman posted here that her ex had turned up to fetch the kids because they were complaining about the holiday there would be cries of "get a solicitor" and "reduce his contact," and "he is a controlling arsehole."

She is fourteen. fourteen year olds often have a sense of injustice about themselves when things don't go their way. by going to pick her up the OP is not only undermining her ex's parenting, and let's be honest here she is going to paint the worst possible picture here to gain her mum's sympathy, but she is also teaching her DD that all she has to do is cry down the phone to get what she wants.

Yes, there is a conversation to be had around her being able to choose whether she goes on future holidays and for the OP to support those choices. But to let her go and then go and fetch her when things don't quite go the way she wants is giving out a wrong message. At fourteen she does need to learn about sticking to her commitments and being able to get through things without always having to be "rescued."

I speak as the mother of an almost fourteen year old who this year chose not to go on holiday with his dad, a decision which I supported based on the fact that in previous years he has wavered at the last minute about going and wanted to come home. Except they have now gone on a different holiday which he asked if he could go on, arrangements were made and extra was paid to accommodate him. And then last night he had a wobble about not wanting to go after all. HAd it not been his choice to go I would have supported him in staying, but given he actively asked to go he has to hold to that commitment. He's already text me, but the reality is that it's only a week, he can swim in the pool and read and do whatever else fourteen year olds do, and then after a week he can come home and if he wants, doesn't have to go on another such holiday.

But it's a week, not a lifetime, and no-one is in danger here.

She has three days. I would be telling her that while you sympathise, she can swim/find some other kids to make friends with/read/whatever she does at home when she's not away, and then she'll be home.

I absolutely wouldn't be driving down to fetch her. And I absolutely wouldn't be telling XH what he should and shouldn't be doing on his time.

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dotdotdotmustdash · 24/08/2016 21:46

Poor kid. Aren't both her parents supposed to be more concerned for her wellbeing and happiness than concerned about treading on each other's toes?

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StripeyMonkey1 · 24/08/2016 21:48

I'd leave her for the week but make sure you do some special things with her when she is back home. It's horrible when it is your own DD who is upset, but we all have to deal with difficult situations sometimes - at home and at work - and it is only for a short period of time. I'd focus now on organising a few low key treats and 1-1 time with her when she is home to make her feel appreciated.

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LoraLoves · 24/08/2016 21:49

Pick the poor love up. My dn struggled with claustrophobia on a camping trip and felt left out by the 'friends' he was going with. I can understand the boys going off on their own and letting them bond. Let them have their time. But make it clear to XH on the phone tonight that she's unhappy and you want her home. Have a bit of mum-daughter bonding time. At least you know that she trusts in you to come and get her. Don't make her lose trust.
Lo x

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user1471552005 · 24/08/2016 21:51

I would be driving there right now.

No hesitation.

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AbbottLeguarda · 24/08/2016 21:52

Okay, I'm not picking her up, if XH did that to me, I'd think he was batshit crazy and I wouldn't let her go with him.

I will tell him how she feels and provide some ideas, go into town, go swimming, an activity that means that they'll spend more then an hour together.

I'll give DS2 a try, see if he can take her to watch a film or for a walk or let her spend time with them in their room before bed, not massive asks.

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Witchend · 24/08/2016 21:52

I don't think you should go and pick her up without finding out from others perspectives.

Knowing 14yo girls and boys you can easily find that any "would you like to come and do X with us?" is met with a "no, that's boring" or going but moaning the whole time.
Again with the card game I've had similar situations where they've said that sort of thing on me where most of the half an hour they were apparently waiting was me calling up "do you want to play? You know I've got to leave in X time?" and them shouting down "I'll be down in a minute!"

The room situation I'm not sure can necessarily be helped. She might have bonded nicely with her step sisters, but if they resent her there (and at 11yo, 14yo can seem ancient!) or think that she'd going to tell them off/boss them around it could be even less pleasant.
I think rather than manufacturing a situation where she has to share with her step sisters might well backfire. They may well appear to have been having high jinx after bedtime, but this might stop with someone else there because either they feel awkward or just unsure whether she would like to. Also if they go stroppy because she's in there (which they might well) she's going to feel even more pushed out.
Better would be for one of the adults to take the girls on a night out somewhere and get them giggling and enjoying together then suggest she gets her mattress and sleeps in their room-but bringing them back too late for too much messing around.

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BlueFolly · 24/08/2016 21:52

It sounds like she has done plenty with the others, it's not like she has said that anybody is being in any way nasty to her.

Being concerned about her wellbeing and happiness means more than simply responding with a 'yes miss' to everything she demands.

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headinhands · 24/08/2016 21:54

I wouldn't get her. Even holidays with bio parents and siblings are stressy. Just keep saying it's nearly over, read a book etc.

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neonrainbow · 24/08/2016 21:56

Shes on her way to being an adult and has to learn to deal with situations she finds boring or disappointing. Picking her up will do more harm than good amongst all the various relationships. Dont tell your XH you want her home. That makes it sounds like you've been encouraging her.

As a stepmum I wouldnt be impressed if dh's ex picked up DSS halfway through a holiday just because DSS wasnt enjoying himself, especially at that age when they should be able to get themselves involved and entertain themselves if necessary. Id expect her to say to him in as nice a way as possible, suck it up, its 3 more days.

Is your daughter doing enough to involve herself or is she just giving up like with the gardening?

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dotdotdotmustdash · 24/08/2016 21:57

Children don't choose to have their parents split up, they don't choose to split their lives between two homes, they don't choose who become their step-families and they don't choose who they holiday with. What they can do is reach out to their parent and tell them they're lonely, unhappy and want to come home. It's not about parent politics or whose 'turn' it is.

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GoldFishFingerz · 24/08/2016 21:57

Ask her for suggestions on how to resolve things when you can't pick her up. You can listen and support.

Ex could always put her on the train though. 14 is old enough.

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Hulababy · 24/08/2016 21:59

Poor girl. All sounds really poorly thought out and that the adults are not doing anything to help her.

I know realistically you can't go and get her - it could cause lots of issues with your xh and his new partner.

Your sins really should be doing more to include her. Her step sisters should t be excluding her either.

Not everyone is confident enough to push their way into a paired off group - thats hard going especially for a young girl who is already feeling left out.

And she shouldn't have to. This is a supposed to be family holiday
Time isn't it. Surely they should be doing things a lot of the time (not saying all the time) as a family group???

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headinhands · 24/08/2016 22:00

All the posters saying to get her in a heartbeat. Would you be happy if the nrp came and collected your child after a phone call about how shit the holiday was?

Op she is fine. Talk to her but collecting her is totally unnecessary.

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BlueFolly · 24/08/2016 22:00

dotdotdotmustdash I take it you have never created and sustained a successful shared parenting relationship?

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user1471552005 · 24/08/2016 22:01

dotdotdotmustdash- I agree. Poor kid.

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Hulababy · 24/08/2016 22:01

Your sons really should be doing more to include her too. Hey are 16 not 6. They are old enough to know how and why they should be including their sister. Not just leaving her on the sidelines knowing she is lonely and left out. They are being unkind to her. No excuses. More 6/7 year olds know they shouldn't leave someone out in this kind of situation, let alone at 16!

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rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 24/08/2016 22:04

It's not about parent politics or whose 'turn' it is.

Absolutely. It IS about what effect it has on the child and the stress it causes the child when separated parents tread on each other's toes and there is bad feeling. The OP is holding back for her dd's sake, not for her ex's sake and it's pretty clear it's not easy for her to do.

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user1471552005 · 24/08/2016 22:04

headinhands- if my DD was on holiday with my OH and was crying down the phone to me I would expect him either to fix things or she comes home. Separated or not if my DD reaches out for help because she is unhappy and upset then I respond.
Holidays are meant to be happy things, not tests of endurance.
If she isn't happy then she can come home.

If I wasn't happy on holiday then I would come home.

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Hulababy · 24/08/2016 22:04

But she's not necessarily saying it is boring. She's lovely. She's sad. She is being left out by both her brothers and her step-sisters, and her dad isn't helping out either.

Maybe holidays mean somethings different to me but it isn't usual for me on holiday that everyone goes out and does their own thing desperately most of the time. Much of it is spent as a group doing things together.

It just sounds poorly thought out.

If they go again maybe your dd should be allowed to take a friend so at least she has someone to buddy up with when the others leave her out.

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leccybill · 24/08/2016 22:05

No way I'd be picking her up.
Plenty of teenagers get a bit bored on holiday with their parents. What about kids on holiday with own mum and dad? No-one to run home to because just you're not being entertained 24/7.
Is there no wifi? Most 14yos I know would be happy to feel responsible enough to be left alone in the cottage - TV to themselves, peace n quiet, best seat on the sofa etc.

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TattyCat · 24/08/2016 22:05

What WannaBe said. This is not life or death and you can have (and should have) a chat with her when she's home. She does need to learn to deal with situations and you 'rescuing' her at the first hurdle doesn't help her in future. It's hard being the elder of twins - everyone pays more attention to twins; they just do - and it's totally normal in that situation to feel left out and it's not even specific to gender (I have 3 DSDs, one 21 then 18 yr old twin girls).

I think the key here is to talk to her on her return and let her vent about her feelings. Discuss and keep discussing as you move forward. But removing her from every situation that she feels uncomfortable with isn't the right thing to do, imh. If she's in danger that's different, but she's with her dad and she is 14 when all said and done! I remember being a complete diva and a bit shit at that age - if the world didn't revolve around ME then it was all a bit shit Grin

She'll be fine, and more so because she has a mother who sounds like she has her head screwed on. Talk to her - when she's home. It's only an option to you because we now have instant communication! That's not necessarily a good thing. DON'T FEEL GUILTY!

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dotdotdotmustdash · 24/08/2016 22:06

dotdotdotmustdash I take it you have never created and sustained a successful shared parenting relationship?

Nope, still with my husband after 23 years, although my parents divorced when I was 3 and I didn't see my Father again until I was 15.

My experiences don't change the OP's situation. Her daughter is on holiday with one of her parents, a paired-off sibling set who don't include her, and another paired set of unrelated children. She's watching everyone around her having a fun holiday and feeling lonely and lost. She wants to come home to her Mum, but everyone is more worried about stepping on toes than about her well-being. It must suck to be her.

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