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AIBU?

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To want DD to meet her half brother?

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FatAmy · 08/08/2016 09:13

DD (5) has never met her biological father and as far as she is aware her dad is my ex husband who has been around since mid way through the pregnancy.

Recently I received a message from her biological father's (now ex) girlfriend informing me that she has had a baby and after messaging back and forth for a couple of months we have decided we want them to meet- I wouldn't introduce them as brother and sister at first but as if me and his mum are friends. The biological father would not be involved at all.

I talked this through with my ex husband and he is dead against them meeting, mainly I think because he doesn't want her finding out he isn't her biological father (although obviously she would find out at some point anyway). We can't come to an agreement after discussing it multiple times.

Am I being unreasonable to want her to grow up around her brother? I've never met my biological father and know that I have a few siblings that I've never met and it's something that's really bothered me from a young age so I don't want DD to feel that way. I also worry that she'll resent me when she eventually finds out I could have taken her to meet her brother and decided against it.

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SurelyYoureJokingMrFeynman · 08/08/2016 11:35

Don't know if this is helpful, but some suggestions on the logistics.

  1. Put the issue of half-siblings on hold: it'll keep.

  2. Yes, definitely exH is the one to tell DD that he is her dad, but she had a different bio-dad. So she has the reassurance of him being right there with her, showing how much he loves her. Make it casual and just dropped in with no big deal.

Eg "You know, you had another dad before you were born. But he sometimes wasn't very nice. So FatAmy and I decided I'd be your dad, and I'm so glad because I love you so much. Right, let's take the dog to the park - shoes on!"

She's likely to ask a few questions then and there, then move on to something else. But she'll probably revisit it from time to time as questions occur to her.

  1. MUCH later - doesn't have to be this year - when she's settled and more comfortable with all the big changes going on in her life right now, you can casually mention: "You know you used to have another dad before you were born? Well he's had another baby. So you and the boy are brother and sister because you share a dad."

Then leave it a while before suggesting she meet the brother - or take your lead from her if she asks.

And please drop the idea that she needs to know because there's a half-DB.

No. She needs to know because she needs to know.

Hope all goes well.

LikeDylanInTheMovies · 08/08/2016 11:40

Have people missed the part where she was protecting her DD from the bio father because he was abusive? Because he's not getting nearly as much judgement on here

That's not the issue at hand. The AIBU wasn't about 'Should I protect my child from an abusive father?' if it was the discussion would be directed towards that.

Anyway there's a difference between protecting a child from abuse and actively creating a fiction around their origins, which I can see was better for the adults involved, but less so for the child in the longer term.

Chippednailvarnishing · 08/08/2016 11:41

How the hell is lying to a small child that someone is their father when he isn't, protecting them from an abusive ex?

I get the impression that you thought everyone would be giving you lots of sympathy OP. You're not coming across as if your DD is your main priority.

Fatmomma86 · 08/08/2016 11:42

Sorry for jumping the gun and happy you have decided to tell her.

I apologise for reacting so harshly I have just been through similar, found out when I was 11 and it was horrendous.

I almost had the same problem with university. I was going to transfer my grades/units to the open university and carry on the degree at home. Is this an option for you?

Obviously if you are very near the end not worth it but if you have a year or two to go probably better for you and dd than her spending those many nights away from home.

FatAmy · 08/08/2016 11:45

No Chipped, I wasn't expecting sympathy, I was expecting advice on how to approach the situation as I wasn't sure what to do. However with comments that certain people have made, I'm now sat in tears thinking I'm a terrible mother, so thanks for that. My DD is my main priority and the mistake I made about not telling her about her biological father was what I misguidedly thought was best for her at the time. I have said multiple times that it was a mistake, I can't do anything to change that now, what's done is done. I'm now trying to find a way to fix it!

Damsel thank you so much for your comment, I really appreciate it.

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ceebie · 08/08/2016 11:45

I think you have a good opportunity here to start untangling the mess. Then you can move forward on the basis of being honest with your DD. Don't let her meet her half-brother on the basis of more lies, it will only make it more of a mess.

How lovely that the ex-girlfriends wants the siblings to get together! I hope all goes well.

I see no reason to take it slowly as long as the lies have been sorted out first - children can be amazingly accepting. They don't necessarily agonize like we can. I would just judge it on her reactions and feelings, and take it from there.

FatAmy · 08/08/2016 11:47

Thank you fatmomma. I have a year left at uni, although part of this is placements so really only about 4 months. I looked into open university but it's a teaching degree so it wasn't possible without having to do an extra year pgce :(

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ceebie · 08/08/2016 11:47

PS ignore the judgey comments. I'm sure those people have never made a mistake in their whole lives Hmm

ayeokthen · 08/08/2016 11:53

OP, it's your choice but fwiw I don't see why a bio link between two kids who have nothing to do with their bio dad means anything. She needs to know the truth, and her dad (not bio) deserves to be in her life and she deserves to have him there. None of us are perfect, kids don't come with instructions, and we muddle along as best we can. I'm adopted, so until my babies I never had a DNA link to anyone. If someone knocked on my door and said I'm your mum/dad/sibling, I'd shut the door again.

Thingvellir · 08/08/2016 11:59

Mrfeyman's suggestion is spot on, this is how I would do it in your position. This will be so much easier for your DD now than in a few years time. Also leave the sibling intros until the dust has fully settled, there really is no rush for that.

I'm not sure what your relationship with exH (non bio dad) is like, but I imagine he is very worried about losing access to your DD once this information is shared, can you reassure him that you will always make sure he has a role in your DD's life?

contrary13 · 08/08/2016 12:22

I agree with other posters, OP, in that I think you're rushing into this "she needs to know her half-sibling!!!" without necessarily understanding the potential harm that this entire mess will do to your DD. However, I also understand your ex's reluctance to tell your DD that he's not her biological father. He's frightened of losing her, I suspect, even though he has proven himself to be her Dad, simply by dint of his being there even after your split.

What will you do when she asks to meet her biological father? Because... chances are that she will. And, as her mother, you'll have to deal with that as appropriately as you can. Especially given the circumstances as to why he's not been in her life...

My father is the oldest of 8 children. 3 from one relationship, 4 from another, and 1 from the very last. His parents split wasn't my grandfather's fault, but he disappeared from my father and uncles lives completely. My father was just a year older than your DD is now... and he never saw his biological father again. We all knew about there being half-siblings - because my grandmother told us about them. She and my grandfather, seemingly, kept in touch through the years... but there was no contact for any of his oldest children, not whilst they were being raised by someone else. Shortly before my grandmother's partner's death, I tracked my half-aunt and uncles down - because I was curious. The ramifications of doing that were horrendous. My grandmother's partner died, never having forgiven me for rejecting her as a grandparent (which I didn't - I simply wanted to know where I came from, so that I could tell my own children where they came from, too. But I have to live with that guilt for the rest of my life.). My grandfather had died and no one had thought to tell his oldest three children, so there was that heartbreak to deal with... and then they all decided that they needed to know their half-siblings. My two uncles met them, were rude and nasty, and refused to have anything else to do with them after that - which confused their younger half-siblings, who were also the innocent parties. They'd known about their older brothers, but not how to find them (I tracked down a cousin via a family tree site). My father met them, made a half-hearted attempt at a relationship with them, but after a year or so, decided that they were "all drunks" and/or "weird" (my half-aunt is religious). So he dropped them, too. Their names cannot be mentioned at all. Meanwhile, the oldest of the sons of the next 4, got his knickers spectactularly in a knot because even though he'd always known he wasn't my grandfather's eldest son... suddenly the eldest son was physically present in their lives. It's taken years for him to climb down off his high horse about that - even though it didn't actually affect him one way or the other. He's still his younger full siblings oldest brother, after all.

On the plus side, my children and I have relationships with them all - except the youngest aunt, who is three years my junior and can't cope with having us in her life. She doesn't talk to any of her older siblings. That's her perogative. One day we hope she'll change her mind. I have a pretty good relationship with my two oldest half-cousins, who were able to tell me what our grandfather was like. My daughter and son are close with my youngest half-cousins, because they're the same ages. Luckily, for us, it's worked out. But it so easily might not have...

Meanwhile, my DD (20) has a biological father and a dad. Two separate men. She's never - to the best of my knowledge - met her biological father (he was abusive to me and I ran), although she had a relationship with her paternal biological grandparents and their other children until she was 7 years old, and decided she'd had enough. I don't know why. She won't tell me/claims she doesn't remember. But she always knew they were her biological family. A few years later, I split from the man who had always been dad to her. He has a relationship with our DS (11), but not with DD. Again, that was her choice... but it broke my heart, time and time again when she'd refuse to spend time with him, but cried because DS was off "having fun with daddy" and she wasn't. DS sees his half-siblings as regularly as I can arrange it. DD last saw them when the oldest was a baby (she's 7 now). She also has three biological half-siblings from her biological father... whom she's never met. She doesn't want to. At all. I suspect that, if they find out about her, they'll come looking - and she'll reject them. Which will hurt. Her, as well as them.

What I'm trying to say, OP, is that not everything has a happy ending. We can hope for and try to achieve one... especially when it comes to our children, but it's not always possible. My honest advice would be not to rush into something that will have a profound affect upon your DD. She might not react now, but she will at some point. Yes, she needs to know that her daddy isn't biologically related to her (and yes; you should have told her this from the get-go), but she also doesn't need a half-sibling physically thrown into her life in the same time frame. Discovering that her daddy isn't... that's going to be confusing enough, and your ex needs to be aware that she'll possibly be quite angry at you both for a while. He needs to really step up and reassure her that he loves her, and he's not going anywhere... and so do you.

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crazyspaniellady · 08/08/2016 16:50

Personally I'd ignore your exH OP, your daughter would thank you for allowing her to grow up with her brother, regardless of the situation with her biological father.
My biological father was an awful man, I'm his eldest and his only daughter, and he has one son with another woman that is around 18 months younger than me, and two sons with his current wife (5 & 3). Growing up I was always under the impression that I was an only child and although I never let on I was desperate for a sibling, all of my friends had brothers or sisters or both and I was so jealous. My mum didn't tell me about my younger brother until I was 13/14 because she hoped that my biological dad would (and his mother wasn't keen on us having a relationship, he had no relationship with our father) Around the same time I found out about him, and then confronted my dad about it, he cut off all contact with me and has forbidden his family (my Nana, Aunts etc) from having a relationship with me, very much a 'me or his two youngest sons' situation, but I do still hear from and see a few of them discreetly. I reached out to my younger brother on Facebook last year and we have texted regularly since then but haven't met as neither of us really know what to do/what to say, if I'd had the chance that your DD has now then things might be different between me and my brother. Please, consider it but if you decide to let them meet then be completely honest with your DD about who he is. There is never a 'right time' to tell your child that a person they believed was their parent is in fact not, but reassure her that it doesn't mean that daddy loves her any less. I'm now 20 and haven't seen or heard from my dad in six years, I'm forbidden from having any sort of relationship with two of my brothers, and the other is a little weird as we're more like friends than siblings.
Speaking from experience, although I knew my stepdad wasn't my real dad and had some sort of (half assed on his part) relationship from my dad, a 'secret sibling' isn't a good idea, it's best to be honest and let them have a relationship, I feel I missed out on so much because I never got to grow up with my brother.

Isetan · 08/08/2016 17:37

Given that she's unsettled and has had some big changes recently, now is not the time to chuck another grenade into her life.

Although I don't agree with your Ex H aggressive stance, you have to accept some responsibility for this mess because you played your part in the lie. In addition, rather than dictating to your Ex, you should be working with him because this news will effect the relationship with his daughter and therefore he should be part of the discussion and not just presented with a done deal.

You would do well to spend some time checking this random woman and her child out before you even contemplate introducing them to your DD, who knows what's going on there and the last thing your DD needs is more drama.

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