If he doesn't want a baby, you shouldn't seek CSA

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Why the hell is this line still trotted out?

I've even seen it on here. Woman falls pregnant, boyfriend doesn't want it and wants an abortion. She doesn't. People advise her to keep the baby and let him go. Don't bother seeking child maintenance because he didn't want the baby in the first place.

No!! If he didn't want a baby he should take his own precautions to preventing pregnancy. You don't like condoms? You don't have sex!

I have to say I agree with a PP that I don't generally like the "if you don't want to conceive don't have sex" line. Because it can be used by pro-lifers against women as much as pro-choicers use it against men.

I prefer "take precautions to reduce the risk of conception but accept that any sex may result in a baby and don't be overly shocked or annoyed if that does happen"

68% of non-resident fathers provided financial support to their children'

Christ that's depressing. 1 in 3 children get no financial support from their father. And there are people in the world and on this thread that think that should increase because apparently men have it so hard

"if you believe MN it's massively lower than that."

Has someone quoted a different number then? I think this was a survey of 1000 dads.

"68% of non-resident fathers provided financial support to their children - although that varied depending on how often they saw their children. Perhaps unsurprisingly, only 29% of those who never see their children provide financial support."

So much lower amongst men who, for whatever reason, don't see their kids.

I wonder what percent of the 68 percent lie about their wages to ensure they pay the minimum amount.

I don't know why I'm shocked at the misogyny on this thread but it does still shock me.

Does go to show that, whatever the law about paying for one's offspring, it doesn't necessarily happen.

I'm guessing this is self reported as well, though haven't gone into the more detailed report.

Where is that statistic from...Gingerbread has reliable stats although at the moment I am struggling to find the maintenance one.

From the guardian article I linked a few posts ago.

Has someone on MN quoted a different number then, Vod?

Found it...Gingerbread says 38% of single parents receive no maintenance. Obviously, this isn't a full picture of maintenance as many who are eligible to receive maintenance are not necessarily single. It also doesn't say how many may have shared care and therefore no eligibility. However, whichever way you look at it, it's pretty depressing.

Bollox. Only 38% receive maintenance.

It is not misogyny to require that adult women deal with the consequences of their personal choices. Quite the opposite.

It is misogyny to suggest that a man can walk away scot free after a child is conceived, after he has chosen to have sex.

No, it's not. You need a dictionary.

Wow...

I keep asking Lilac but you keep avoiding - why is it you think only women "deal with the consequences of their personal choices" and not men? It's a personal choice to sleep with a woman.

And you are a terrible misogynist. I'd love to hear how you're the "opposite" when you'd be happy for women to live in poverty so that men don't be inconvenienced?

Misogyny definition: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Sounds pretty spot on Lilac.

So women and children live in poverty so that a man has the right to shag without consequence. That's text book misogyny.